Do we want DeHop?

[ROYC75]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21


Story by Andrew Gould




The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

Seth Keysor doesn't know anything. He admitted as much by saying he has not watched any tape on thid kid prior to last night. He is awful.

KCSN had Felix ranked 27th overall in their draft guide. I trust the opinion of Craig Stout a whole of a lot more as far as defensive line is concerned. That's his expertise.

I think you're in the wrong thread, bud.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Growing your own is fine - but the entire WR room at once while a SB window is open?

Right now you're looking at Toney - assuming he can stay healthy - and a WHOLE LOT of question marks.

Or, if you want to be a pessimist, you can assume Toney won't be able to stay healthy (he hasn't once in his career) and you have NOTHING but question marks.

They need some sort of a presence besides Kelce - MVS ain't it.

Yeah, the problem is we’re not even putting in the effort. It feels like Andy Reid with James thrash and Todd pinkston all over again. Of course we’ll be fine. But so far it’s safe to say that for all the good veach and Reid have done we’ve completely whiffed at WR. And that just doesn’t make any sense to br complacent when you have a qb and coach who can elevate the hell out of anyone remotely talented

But there’s still a lot of offseason left. And we don’t have to panic if we don’t like our options this year.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

Seth Keysor doesn't know anything. He admitted as much by saying he has not watched any tape on thid kid prior to last night. He is awful.

KCSN had Felix ranked 27th overall in their draft guide. I trust the opinion of Craig Stout a whole of a lot more as far as defensive line is concerned. That's his expertise.

People hating on Seth is so stupid, he puts in the time. He also loves what he saw on film. Awful? you're awful.

Originally Posted by The Franchise

I think you're in the wrong thread, bud.

also this

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Growing your own is fine - but the entire WR room at once while a SB window is open?

Right now you're looking at Toney - assuming he can stay healthy - and a WHOLE LOT of question marks.

Or, if you want to be a pessimist, you can assume Toney won't be able to stay healthy (he hasn't once in his career) and you have NOTHING but question marks.

They need some sort of a presence besides Kelce - MVS ain't it.

Exactly. Toney is the only legit true WR talent in the building, everyone else is an unknown, several with serious issues, whether it's staying healthy, or not having any experience at all at the NFL level, or whatever. Toney goes down, we really don't have a plan B.

Personally, I think it's extremely doubtful we have both Ross guys suited up for 17 games this season. And I mean combined, not each. So, then what? Skyy becomes the WR1, one of the Ross boys becomes the 2?, and then maybe Richie? Justin Watson is more of a ST guy than a WR so far, but a decent backup for MVS in terms of role. But that's about it for him. He's not going to be the go-to WR in any scenario.

Then some are saying "that's why Gray and Fortson are on the roster!" Great. Except that when JuJu faded mid-season, those two didn't do anything. They finished the season with a combined 400 yards receiving and 3 TDs. Not impressive. And not dependable.

It's one thing to go into a season with no dependable WRs in Madden. It's another to do it in reality.

And Veach ain't that dumb. He's got a plan, and it's not "let's go into 2023 with this WR room and a rookie WR and just hope a couple of them just surprise the hell out of us with a top-15 season." That shouldn't be remotely a thing if Veach is as smart as we all think he is.

[ChiefaRoo]

They’re going to trade for Hopkins.

[Chieftain]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

People hating on Seth is so stupid, he puts in the time. He also loves what he saw on film. Awful? you're awful.

also this

I don't like the guy.
I do love Ryan Tracy and Daniel Harms' work. Those guys know football.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

I don't like the guy.
I do love Ryan Tracy and Daniel Harms' work. Those guys know football.

That says a lot. Those two dudes are ****ing dipshits.

[Balto]

While I love the FUA pick but agree it wasn’t nothing amazing “Veach Magic” and more of an equal value Hunt wanted to present the last pick of the 1st round type of thing. I think getting Hopkins and Veach moving up and down the rest of the draft will turn the 31 pick into a great overall pick now that we have seen the rest of the draft play out.

[Chieftain]

And this is the last time I mention this, but how can Keysor be putting in the work when he never watched tape of Felix? A guy who was mocked to the Chiefs repeatedly preceding the draft? Keysor is not a football guy.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

And this is the last time I mention this, but how can Keysor be putting in the work when he never watched tape of Felix? A guy who was mocked to the Chiefs repeatedly preceding the draft? Keysor is not a football guy.

YOU’RE IN THE DEANDRE HOPKINS THREAD. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE WR GROUP.

[Chieftain]

I know. Wrong thread.

Hopefully we land DHop today. Always loved him as a player.

[KCJake]

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

They’re going to trade for Hopkins.

I agree. I just feels like something's about to go down.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Growing your own is fine - but the entire WR room at once while a SB window is open?

Right now you're looking at Toney - assuming he can stay healthy - and a WHOLE LOT of question marks.

Or, if you want to be a pessimist, you can assume Toney won't be able to stay healthy (he hasn't once in his career) and you have NOTHING but question marks.

They need some sort of a presence besides Kelce - MVS ain't it.

Super Bowl window is open for about the next twelve years.

Last year, we went into the season with nothing but rookies at corner (and of course, Sneed) and didn't blink. Mid-season, we even traded the only other veteran corner on the roster for a ham sandwich. By late in the year, it was paying off. That's what you have to do to ALWAYS keep your window open. Now the secondary is a strength.

Maybe Toney does struggle to stay healthy. That's why they brought in Ritchie. Maybe MVS gets hurt; that's why they brought back Watson. They brought in insurance policies that can give you professional snaps, if not stars.

And I'm sure they'll draft a guy, but he's going to have to earn his way to the field and beat out four veterans for it, and it'll probably go a lot like Skyy Moore's season did, barring injury. But that doesn't mean he can't do it, as it didn't mean Moore couldn't. Now it's Moore's turn, and I think we're all going to be pleasantly surprised. I know Veach and Andy are expecting big things.

You pay a Hopkins, (who hasn't played a full season in two years, by the way) and that's almost two guys like Bolton, or Gay, or Sneed that you can't extend. It's having to make a choice between Creed or Smith, while having no choice but to let Thuney go. It doesn't 'open' a Super Bowl window, it shortens it. The bill comes due.

How many rings did Brady get without star WR free agents? You really think Mahomes and Reid can't do as well? And don't say Edelman or Welker-they weren't gamebreakers , they were each a slot possession guy. Moss was a headcase reclamation project, not a sought after star, and they didn't win one with him.

Just keep stacking good football players, maximizing cap and draft value, and put Mahomes + Best 52 out there and you've got as good of a shot as anyone every single year.

It's going to be okay.



You're paying Mahomes; you have to grow your own stars at the expensive positions like DE and WR.

You guys are going to have to get comfortable with having young question marks at a different group every off-season. Trust the braintrust at Arrowhead. They know what they're doing. I'm growing comfortable with being a little uncomfortable in the off-season.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah, the problem is we’re not even putting in the effort. It feels like Andy Reid with James thrash and Todd pinkston all over again. Of course we’ll be fine. But so far it’s safe to say that for all the good veach and Reid have done we’ve completely whiffed at WR. And that just doesn’t make any sense to br complacent when you have a qb and coach who can elevate the hell out of anyone remotely talented

But there’s still a lot of offseason left. And we don’t have to panic if we don’t like our options this year.

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Exactly. Toney is the only legit true WR talent in the building, everyone else is an unknown, several with serious issues, whether it's staying healthy, or not having any experience at all at the NFL level, or whatever. Toney goes down, we really don't have a plan B.

Personally, I think it's extremely doubtful we have both Ross guys suited up for 17 games this season. And I mean combined, not each. So, then what? Skyy becomes the WR1, one of the Ross boys becomes the 2?, and then maybe Richie? Justin Watson is more of a ST guy than a WR so far, but a decent backup for MVS in terms of role. But that's about it for him. He's not going to be the go-to WR in any scenario.

Then some are saying "that's why Gray and Fortson are on the roster!" Great. Except that when JuJu faded mid-season, those two didn't do anything. They finished the season with a combined 400 yards receiving and 3 TDs. Not impressive. And not dependable.

It's one thing to go into a season with no dependable WRs in Madden. It's another to do it in reality.

And Veach ain't that dumb. He's got a plan, and it's not "let's go into 2023 with this WR room and a rookie WR and just hope a couple of them just surprise the hell out of us with a top-15 season." That shouldn't be remotely a thing if Veach is as smart as we all think he is.

It's frustrating - because I trust Veach 100%

Yet I can help but get some serious Michael Cherrito vibes from Heat

To Veach, the action IS the juice.

Judging seasons like Olympic sports. It's all about the difficulty level.

Hey Patrick - Win a SB with Kelce, Hill and a questionable defense.

Check.

Hey Patrick - Now win a SB with Kelce and Juju and a REALLY young defense.

Check.

Now? Hey Patrick, win a SB with Kelce and...

I'm going to be furious if we miss out on another SB because we're asking Mahomes to be even more of a miracle worker than he's already shown to be.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

It's frustrating - because I trust Veach 100%

Yet I can help but get some serious Michael Cherrito vibes from Heat

To Veach, the action IS the juice.

Judging seasons like Olympic sports. It's all about the difficulty level.

Hey Patrick - Win a SB with Kelce, Hill and a questionable defense.

Check.

Hey Patrick - Now win a SB with Kelce and Juju and a REALLY young defense.

Check.

Now? Hey Patrick, win a SB with Kelce and...

I'm going to be furious if we miss out on another SB because we're asking Mahomes to be even more of a miracle worker than he's already shown to be.

I'm just going to say this, and then I'll bow out of this thread, because I'm not going to convince anyone on the Hopkins train that they're wrong, and you're not going to convince me that this is the way we should go.

The questions in the WR room are only questions to the fans. Veach and Reid (and Mahomes) know exactly where Toney and Moore are at. They're saying they expect them to step up and produce. Maybe their bluffing, but that's not really their style. Just because they haven't put up numbers YET doesn't mean it's the gaping hole you guys are afraid of.

Either way, I trust Veach and Reid to put a championship caliber roster on the field.

See y'all on other topics in other threads!