Chiefs Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves - Page 24

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 12:01 PM

Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves
May 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195

Five boldest moves

Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli

Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.

Five biggest gambles

Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel

I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

But Mecca is not an NFL scout, therefore he's not a mother. This is some mixed metaphor mayhem.

But I'm going to drop this and come towards your argument for this next question: does Mecca have a bad predictive track record on this board? I wasn't aware that he did.

His track record isn't any better or worse than most. He's been right about some and he's been wrong about some, just like most people here.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm always in favor of playing it safe. Except when I'm not. Which is pretty much all of the time.

I'm guessing Pioli thinks Cassel is a better option than Thigpen. That does mean that Pioli thinks Cassle is the ONLY option, just one that was available.

**doomy3** · 05-16-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

But Mecca is not an NFL scout, therefore he's not a mother. This is some mixed metaphor mayhem.

But I'm going to drop this and come towards your argument for this next question: does Mecca have a bad predictive track record on this board? I wasn't aware that he did.

Does he have a good one? I don't think the problem is that he has a bad track record, but he acts like he has some ridiculously good predictive track record, which I just don't see. There are plenty of others in that boat too, but the difference is that most of the don't go around beating their chest and acting like they know more than everyone else.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 01:45 PM

Also, shut up because I wanted Just Passing By to answer that question, not you guys.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

I'm guessing Pioli thinks Cassel is a better option than Thigpen. That does mean that Pioli thinks Cassle is the ONLY option, just one that was available.

Of course Cassel is a better option that Thigpen.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

His track record isn't any better or worse than most. He's been right about some and he's been wrong about some, just like most people here.

Thanks, Kotter.

Just Passin' By · 05-16-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

But Mecca is not an NFL scout, therefore he's not a mother. This is some mixed metaphor mayhem.

But I'm going to drop this and come towards your argument for this next question: does Mecca have a bad predictive track record on this board? I wasn't aware that he did.

I don't know what his track record is. Others who've been here will give their interpretation of how they view his track record, but it will likely be skewed by how they feel about Mecca in the first place. I had to base my thoughts about his opinions based upon my pre-existing knowledge of the players and based upon his analysis, which left plenty to be desired.

Again, to be fair, he may have broken things down in more depth in the draft forum. I didn't frequent that area of the board. However, I could only go by what I saw.

**Reaper16** · 05-16-2009, 01:52 PM

Enough said.

Chiefnj2 · 05-16-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

His track record isn't any better or worse than most. He's been right about some and he's been wrong about some, just like most people here.

When he's wrong, he's not as wrong as others because he thinks he watches more college football then everyone else.

Mecca · 05-16-2009, 02:15 PM

My track record isn't bad...and no I'm not going to be right 100% of the time it's the draft, people paid to do it can't even pull that.

I absolutely hated the Hali, Pollard, Croyle draft and to this point I'm correct on that one.

Would someone like to point out all the times I've been wrong I'll tell you what I said and be frank there are plenty of players I was wrong about one way or the other.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Of course Cassel is a better option that Thigpen.

Then there's reason to believe that he's worth the #34 pick but not worth the #3 pick.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Would someone like to point out all the times I've been wrong I'll tell you what I said and be frank there are plenty of players I was wrong about one way or the other.

Honestly, we've been through this before.

People will bring up things they think you had wrong and you'll have a thousand caveats as to why you're not quite wrong.

It doesn't prove anything.

Mecca · 05-16-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Honestly, we've been through this before.

People will bring up things they think you had wrong and you'll have a thousand caveats as to why you're not quite wrong.

It doesn't prove anything.

I'll be dead honest, this whole idea that I don't think I'm ever wrong is a bit overblown.

htismaqe · 05-16-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll be dead honest, this whole idea that I don't think I'm ever wrong is a bit overblown.

Like I said, we went through this a couple of years ago. Like I said, it turns into a string of caveats and in the end proves nothing.

It's a football message board and none of us are professionals.

In the end, the point is that, when you attack people, they're going to respond in kind. Even if you don't feel that you're attacking them, your tone can induce a similar response.

Does that mean you should just up and leave? Hell no. I'm damn glad you came back.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-16-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

What if he's NOT your guy? What if you think he MIGHT be your guy, but you're not sure so you'd rather play it safe?

I swear to God some of you think in binary.

Apparently, you didn't read the quote from Doomy where he stated that Sanchez wasn't good value at #3 but he'd choose him at #15.

05-14-2009, 12:01 PM
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	My track record isn't bad...and no I'm not going to be right 100% of the time it's the draft, people paid to do it can't even pull that. I absolutely hated the Hali, Pollard, Croyle draft and to this point I'm correct on that one. Would someone like to point out all the times I've been wrong I'll tell you what I said and be frank there are plenty of players I was wrong about one way or the other.
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