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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

The Dan Snyder approach to operating a football team has produced JACK SHIT.

You're delusional. This does more to justify keeping Haley than fire him.

And the Lamar Hunt/Clark Hunt way of operating a football team has produced what exactly in the last 40 YEARS?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

That funny....

A good owner would NEVER allow Pendergast to be hired as DC

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And the Lamar Hunt/Clark Hunt way of operating a football team has produced what exactly in the last 40 YEARS?

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And the Lamar Hunt/Clark Hunt way of operating a football team has produced what exactly in the last 40 YEARS?

oooOOOOooOOOOooOOO

I know, I know, Pick me, Pick me!!!!!

Yes Reerun: ABSOLUTELY FAIL?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

oooOOOOooOOOOooOOO

I know, I know, Pick me, Pick me!!!!!

Yes Reerun: ABSOLUTELY FAIL?

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

A good owner would NEVER allow Pendergast to be hired as DC

Agreed... It was a GROB hiring part 2.... Bad Bad choice... But there werent many options at that time of his hiring...

Cupboard was pretty bare.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

A good owner would NEVER allow Pendergast to be hired as DC

****ing A

In fact a good owner would have either:

A. Laughed in their face

or

B. Fired their ass on the spot for going full reerun.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

What do I win?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Okay, trying to win and succeeding are two different things dont you think?

Al Davis tries to win each year... Snyder tries to win each year...

So do you just fire everyone and start over the minute something doest go the way you want it to? That is Al Davis's plan and AD jr isnt far behind the crazy old bastard....

Snyder might want to win, but his quick fuse and reputation will keep him from it for awhile... He would probably be best served as a Hands off owner...

The Raiders have so much freakin' talent on that team.

If Gradkowski had been the starter all year, they'd have 10 wins right now.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Raiders have so much freakin' talent on that team.

If Gradkowski had been the starter all year, they'd have 10 wins right now.

The Raiders are a QB away from being extremely dangerous. God help us if Al dies and they find that QB.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Agreed... It was a GROB hiring part 2.... Bad Bad choice... But there werent many options at that time of his hiring...

Cupboard was pretty bare.

Absolutely, unequivocally, UNTRUE.

I addressed this in another thread.

There are 31 other NFL football franchises, each with defensive coaches.

There are more than 100 NCAA D-I schools, each with a defensive coordinator and coaches.

Are you suggesting that out of all of those candidates, CLANCY ****ING PENDERGAST IS MOST QUALIFIED?

I didn't think so.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And the Lamar Hunt/Clark Hunt way of operating a football team has produced what exactly in the last 40 YEARS?

I don't give a ****. I was pointing out that it was ****ed up to defame a dead man that did so much in his lifetime. It is a matter of respect for your elders and the deceased.

Quit ****ing back-peddling on Snyder. You are an impatient pussy, so is Snyder. It doesn't work when you are running a football team.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

The Raiders are a QB away from being extremely dangerous. God help us if Al dies and they find that QB.

He will never die..... EVER!!!!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

I don't give a ****. I was pointing out that it was ****ed up to defame a dead man that did so much in his lifetime. It is a matter of respect for your elders and the deceased.

Quit ****ing back-peddling on Snyder. You are an impatient pussy, so is Snyder. It doesn't work when you are running a football team.

Again, **** YOU.

Impatient? Hardly.

Except with stupid ****ing morons like yourself.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Absolutely, unequivocally, UNTRUE.

I addressed this in another thread.

There are 31 other NFL football franchises, each with defensive coaches.

There are more than 100 NCAA D-I schools, each with a defensive coordinator and coaches.

Are you suggesting that out of all of those candidates, CLANCY ****ING PENDERGAST IS MOST QUALIFIED?

I didn't think so.

no not saying that... I dont remember who was out there that was a 3-4 guy when we were trying to fill this coaching staff so late n the year...

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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