***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I had some really bad allergies on Monday but A-OK now.

I thought I was a goner!

You had the 48 hr Rona.......

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I had some really bad allergies on Monday but A-OK now.

I thought I was a goner!

Probably just tears from all your rejected dates.

[Discuss Thrower]

Get a load of the abstract these Chinese eggheads used reporting LIPITOR of all things staves off C-19 mortality.

[kstater]

Feds cutting funding for testing. So we got that going for us

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Get a load of the abstract these Chinese eggheads used reporting LIPITOR of all things staves off C-19 mortality.

Actually there was a study several weeks ago done in this country stating very similar, that statins could help prevent getting Corona. It appears more studies are showing this is a circulatory disease and not a respiratory disease. Thus the study in the last 2 weeks about steroids helping severe cases.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually there was a study several weeks ago done in this country stating very similar, that statins could help prevent getting Corona. It appears more studies are showing this is a circulatory disease and not a respiratory disease. Thus the study in the last 2 weeks about steroids helping severe cases.

Steroids are used on ICU and respiratory patients all the time. This is confusing to me.

Not to mention the population that does the worst with Covid-19 are commonly on statins already due to prior conditions. Pretty much everyone with diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, history of stroke is on a statin.

[Discuss Thrower]

Findings from the Texas collegians who chartered a flight for the spring break trip to Cabo during the pandemic.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Steroids are used on ICU and respiratory patients all the time. This is confusing to me.

Not to mention the population that does the worst with Covid-19 are commonly on statins already due to prior conditions. Pretty much everyone with diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, history of stroke is on a statin.

Well I don't know what to tell you but it was all over the news.

Maybe you should call someone?

Could Statins Reduce the Severity of COVID-19?
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...ovid-19--67629

Major study finds common steroid reduces deaths among patients with severe Covid-19
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/...vere-covid-19/

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well I don't know what to tell you but it was all over the news.

Maybe you should call someone?

Could Statins Reduce the Severity of COVID-19?
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...ovid-19--67629

Major study finds common steroid reduces deaths among patients with severe Covid-19
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/...vere-covid-19/

Just read an article reviewing the dexamethasone report

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Clinical Take Home Point:*The findings of this well done randomized controlled trial indicate that in patients with COVID-19 pneumonia, that dexamethasone improves 28d mortality compared to placebo in patients requiring IMV (NNT = 8.5) and those patients requiring oxygen therapy (NNT = 29).* There was no benefit to patients not requiring oxygenation support and even a signal for harm.* It is important to remember this is a preprint, preliminary report, which is better than a press release. At this time, in patients requiring any oxygen therapy, HFNC, NIV, IMV, or ECMO I would recommend dexamethasone until further evidence disproves this benefit.

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So clinical improvement in mortality for patients on oxygent

Number needed to treat is 29 patients on oxygen
Number needed to treat is 8.5 patients on a ventilator.

Cool study.

I was just commenting on the fact that steroids are very commonly used in the ICU for respiratory conditions.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well I don't know what to tell you but it was all over the news.

Maybe you should call someone?

Could Statins Reduce the Severity of COVID-19?
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...ovid-19--67629

Major study finds common steroid reduces deaths among patients with severe Covid-19
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/...vere-covid-19/

Who would I need to call?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Who would I need to call?

I don't know, the people who are doing these studies on apparently things that are already known???

Sorry, I am not trying to be a dick but it's like whenever a study comes out that says x will help there is a certain few people here who have the same almost Pavlovian responses to them.

You were kinda going that way without knowing of or reading about the studies you were already beginning to dismiss them.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know, the people who are doing these studies on apparently things that are already known???

Sorry, I am not trying to be a dick but it's like whenever a study comes out that says x will help there is a certain few people here who have the same almost Pavlovian responses to them.

You were kinda going that way without knowing of or reading about the studies you were already beginning to dismiss them.

This is literally how scientific consensus is built. Always assume every study is bullshit until 1) it's been peer-reviewed and 2) there are other studies to reach the same conclusions.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't know, the people who are doing these studies on apparently things that are already known???

Sorry, I am not trying to be a dick but it's like whenever a study comes out that says x will help there is a certain few people here who have the same almost Pavlovian responses to them.

You were kinda going that way without knowing of or reading about the studies you were already beginning to dismiss them.

You misunderstood what I said.

I am saying that I suspect a lot of people treated for Covid in ICUs were already treated with dexamethasone, not that the dexamethasone didn't help.

I am also saying that people who are elderly and do worse with Covid-19 are commonly on statins already. I'm not saying that statins don't help.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

This is literally how scientific consensus is built. Always assume every study is bullshit until 1) it's been peer-reviewed and 2) there are other studies to reach the same conclusions.

Yeah, starting off with a closed mind is always a helpful tactic....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

You misunderstood what I said.

I am saying that I suspect a lot of people treated for Covid in ICUs were already treated with dexamethasone, not that the dexamethasone didn't help.

I am also saying that people who are elderly and do worse with Covid-19 are commonly on statins already. I'm not saying that statins don't help.

Fair enough.