***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by srvy

Mecca is the mods cat with a thousand lives. Rules for all except mecca he is special.

Three posts in four minutes about one guy. You ok, bud? Need a hug?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by srvy

Yeah right all you are is the flipside of him.

Nooooooo kidding.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Lmao again you have no clue what you are talking about. TMC is big but it is one of MANY chain hospital systems here.


https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/...alth-care.html Here is an example

Just Harris county, where Houston is located has 80 hospitals

107% capacity!!!!

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

107% capacity!!!!

lol

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Lmao again you have no clue what you are talking about. TMC is big but it is one of MANY chain hospital systems here.


https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/...alth-care.html Here is an example

Just Harris county, where Houston is located has 80 hospitals

I'm not talking about a single hospital. You're the guy for weeks coming in and saying "28,000" bed capacity!" Totally not understanding bed capacity vs ICU vs equipment needs vs staffing. People keep mentioning surge beds. I promise you, you don't want to see the care provided on a surge unit.

Area hospitals running around 90% here, and guess what, not enough staffing to support the level of care needed. Current COVID over-flow of 20 patients, in a hospital by us, are being managed in the emergency department. Sucks for the people coming into that hospital with life threatening injuries not related to COVID. Sorry for you, you might be exposed while you're here in our ER!

Phoenix is bringing in out of state nurses to work, not enough RN coverage and moving new grads nurses from ortho floors to the COVID ICU. We can put your loved one in a hospital that can't support the care that's needed.

Respiratory therapy staffing is the other major concern with ventilator use. They have doubled the amount of patients an RT is handling right now in area hospitals. They are even moving to consider RN's and Speech-Therapists to assist in managing ventilators. I've worked around vents and tracheostomies but God damn that surely isn't in my Scope of Practice. Think my professional liability insurance will cover me?!

Hopefully if your family member needs care, they don't end up in the hospital being forced to take short cuts for care.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You really wanna math? I don't do this to be cold but I do it to be rational...

Number of Covid cases in the US = .7% of our total population

Number of Covid deaths in the US = .03% of our total population


Now on a rational basis we shut down our entire country for something that is effecting < 1% of our population and killing less < .05% of our population


Now, the raw numbers are nothing to balk at and are serious and we need to treat them as such. But overall the "math" certainly provides a certain perspective.

I'm not talking about shutting down anything, but doing nothing isn't going to get us to herd immunity like so many keep claiming. The math doesn't support that at all in a country this size. Please follow along.

Keep the economy open and ask for citizens to follow basic precautions such as distancing and wearing masks.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

If you wanted herd immunity, the likelihood of it with the protests and people not taking the virus seriously is pretty high now. Spikes in cases can be attributed to both I’m sure.

We are miles from herd immunity right now and we won't be anywhere close anytime soon. You're talking tens of millions of people who'd still have to get it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I'm not talking about shutting down anything, but doing nothing isn't going to get us to herd immunity like so many keep claiming. The math doesn't support that at all in a country this size. Please follow along.

Keep the economy open and ask for citizens to follow basic precautions such as distancing and wearing masks.

lew, your guilty conscience is getting the best of you. I never said you were calling for a shut down. And I agree we are not near to herd immunity but then again how do you suggest we get there?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by tk13

We are miles from herd immunity right now and we won't be anywhere close anytime soon. You're talking tens of millions of people who'd still have to get it.

And I am not saying this is the most sensible way but the quickest way to get there is to stop all the hiding. Ripping the band aid off always comes with the additional pain.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Three posts in four minutes about one guy. You ok, bud? Need a hug?

I used to like him a lot, but Mecca has recently proven to be just as dismissive of differing opinions and hateful as anyone in DC

This place has always been hardscrabble, but I’ve never seen anything like the bile and vitriol around here lately

It’s a perfect microcosm of the US overall, it’s almost painful to read right now... and it damn sure isn’t just the right wingers stoking it, not by a LONG shot

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

I wish I could.



I need to force myself to do so, but I seriously can't look away. It's like watching a train wreck.

Get off the internet. I know we live in the same area and you would never know anything is going on 90 some percent of the time. My life is pretty much as it was before. I check out threads like this for a good laugh. It's like bizarro world in here so don't take it so seriously. Check out the boobies threads or something.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And I am not saying this is the most sensible way but the quickest way to get there is to stop all the hiding. Ripping the band aid off always comes with the additional pain.

I could also propel myself through the air faster by sitting on a pound of Semtex and then detonating it instead of jumping, but that doesn't make it an idea even worth considering.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I used to like him a lot, but Mecca has recently proven to be just as dismissive of differing opinions and hateful as anyone in DC



This place has always been hardscrabble, but I’ve never seen anything like the bile and vitriol around here lately



It’s a perfect microcosm of the US overall, it’s almost painful to read right now... and it damn sure isn’t just the right wingers stoking it, not by a LONG shot

I'm not going to do it, but a part of me wants to ban you from the thread for this just to watch the world burn.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Get off the internet. I know we live in the same area and you would never know anything is going on 90 some percent of the time. My life is pretty much as it was before. I check out threads like this for a good laugh. It's like bizarro world in here so don't take it so seriously. Check out the boobies threads or something.

Different areas of the country are dealing with different issues. I am not dismissing your safety if you don't dismiss mine.

Your county sounds pretty safe. It almost makes me wish I lived there.......almost.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Different areas of the country are dealing with different issues. I am not dismissing your safety if you don't dismiss mine.

Your county sounds pretty safe. It almost makes me wish I lived there.......almost.

Meh..stay where you are. The safety isnt worth it