***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

To make an impact, things need to be rolled BACK - I'd think the best candidates would be bars, restaurants, indoor rec sports, and (it pains me to say this) gyms. Do everything we can to keep factories and schools open.

He doesn't seem willing to do that at this stage, although he's telling people to stay home.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

He doesn't seem willing to do that at this stage, although he's telling people to stay home.

Nobody will listen.


In fact, our county just put a mask order in place for all businesses, but it put the onus on the business for the enforcement. The BUSINESSES will get fined if people don't wear masks, not the people. It's kind of a copout.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

From what I've read, Phase III is 75% occupancy in most places. I presume Phase IV is 100%

Lol. Every restaurant I've been to looks to be full bore.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

Lol. Every restaurant I've been to looks to be full bore.

That might have something to do with the present situation.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

Nobody will listen.


In fact, our county just put a mask order in place for all businesses, but it put the onus on the business for the enforcement. The BUSINESSES will get fined if people don't wear masks, not the people. It's kind of a copout.

Well, good luck.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Pants

Movie theaters?

Yeah, they're open.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

That might have something to do with the present situation.

Well of course.



Things were cautious for about 2 weeks, then it all went back to normal.

[Pants]

In JOCO KS, I would say mask wearing is probably down to about 20% of people at this point?

****ing boggles my mind.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by loochy

The BUSINESSES will get fined if people don't wear masks, not the people. It's kind of a copout.

That can be effective, bars don't serve minors because they risk a fine for doing so.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Pants

In JOCO KS, I would say mask wearing is probably down to about 20% of people at this point?

****ing boggles my mind.

Meanwhile - https://fox4kc.com/news/it-was-only-...urprise-party/

One of the people were infected even while trying to distance outside. 3 of the 18 are now in the hospital.

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by loochy

Nobody will listen.


In fact, our county just put a mask order in place for all businesses, but it put the onus on the business for the enforcement. The BUSINESSES will get fined if people don't wear masks, not the people. It's kind of a copout.

Sure hope the businesses don’t have to call the police to remove someone who is not complying. Oh wait........

[TLO]

It's horrifying listening to our "local leaders" talk about this in St. Joe. None of them have any answers or information. The only guy who seems to have any semblance of knowledge is a professor who is putting together graphs that show our 7 and 14 day rolling averages. Another City Council member chimes in they've "read a news article" that things could get bad in September so we need to do more mass testing right now!! Our Mayor at least seems to have some inside information of the hospitalization numbers so he shares those.

We have 9 people in the hospital, currently. We've seen a slight up-tick in our 7 day average. (We've gone from like 3-4 people to 5-7 people per day)

Now they move onto more important issues such as the sale of the old firehouse building.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

It's horrifying listening to our "local leaders" talk about this in St. Joe. None of them have any answers or information. The only guy who seems to have any semblance of knowledge is a professor who is putting together graphs that show our 7 and 14 day rolling averages. Another City Council member chimes in they've "read a news article" that things could get bad in September so we need to do more mass testing right now!! Our Mayor at least seems to have some inside information of the hospitalization numbers so he shares those.

We have 9 people in the hospital, currently. We've seen a slight up-tick in our 7 day average. (We've gone from like 3-4 people to 5-7 people per day)

Now they move onto more important issues such as the sale of the old firehouse building.

That's because it's pretty irrelevant at this point. Life is about 95% normal and taking steps back just isn't an option on thr table That's why this thread is strange to me....Just people clinging to their mask and social distancing.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

That's because it's pretty irrelevant at this point. Life is about 95% normal and taking steps back just isn't an option on thr table That's why this thread is strange to me....Just people clinging to their mask and social distancing.

I saw the words "apocalyptic scenario" used on a main stream media website today to describe what is going on in Texas. Maybe I'm a sheeple, and that's fine - but that phrasing is kind of terrifying.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by TLO

I saw the words "apocalyptic scenario" used on a main stream media website today to describe what is going on in Texas. Maybe I'm a sheeple, and that's fine - but that phrasing is kind of terrifying.

Different parts of the country are dealing with different scenarios with COVID.

I’d feel pretty good about your area.