***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

no,

While masks can help limit the spread, they are not 100%. N95 masks only protect those who are wearing them PERIOD.

Surgical masks are made to be used in STERILE ENVIRONMENTS and rabidly lose effectiveness (While still limiting)

and

Cloth masks are lol

Aside from N95 masks other masks work for a very limited amount of time. They are not made to sit there for hours next to someone and prevent anything. They are supposed to be used for a few minutes of exposure and not in a shoulder-shoulder crowd.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

The coronavirus task force is holding their first public briefing in almost 2 months today

Why? It's over. Wrap up, perhaps?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Do you disagree with this?

Yes, of course it's both. The virus doesn't care about "causes." It just wants a host.

N95 with front valves not only do not protect other people it could cause droplets to go further.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...covid19-spread

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

No no it selfish people bar hopping and parties...

No MORONS its the 60,000 people walking in down town Houston etc. Again mask or no mask, it will ****ing spread when that many people get together. And worse yet they then spread the **** back out.

Why are you in denial about bar hopping? Don't want people talking bad about your favorite hobby?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Why are you in denial about bar hopping? Don't want people talking bad about your favorite hobby?

A. This as a insult is sooooo incredibly weak, like cringe worthy weak. Call me a name next time please.... Anything

B. Why are you in denial about the protests?


Lets see bar hopping vs. 100,000+ in the streets for days.


Durrrr I DOnT KnOw WHeRe AlL ThEse New CaSes ArE coMing From.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, I will be fair and said that yes, bars and restaurants can contribute but there is a notable difference in tone when it comes to talking about the largest of gatherings that was across multiple states.

How could there not be a difference in tone?

I know you, BleedingRed, and BigCatDaddy like to live in binary, black and white fantasy worlds, but life is just shades of grey.

Let's imagine there's a spectrum or scale of justified risk exposure.

On one end of the spectrum, you're risking exposing yourself and others to the virus because you want a different color of underwear to wear. On the other end of the spectrum, you're risking exposure to the virus because your child will die if you don't get to them.

Do you think going to a bar and going to a protest for a just cause are on the same level within that spectrum?

Please note, I am not condoning or condemning either. I am simply trying to paint a picture of why people may take a different tone while fully realizing the virus doesn't care.

It SHOULD be obvious to anyone, but either some folks are being intellectually dishonest or just actually really dense.

[petegz28]

It's just rather ironic timing that about 3 weeks after 1,000's and 1,000's of kids primarily in their 20's and 30's, went storming the streets, night after night after night we are seeing a surge in cases in that particular age group.

I mean what a ****ing coinkydink.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

N95 with front valves not only do not protect other people it could cause droplets to go further.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...covid19-spread

That isn't what I asked you. I'll try again:

Do you disagree with this?

Yes, of course it's both. The virus doesn't care about "causes." It just wants a host.

I wasn't asking you about masks.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Are you guys really trying to MEMORY HOLE the protests?

THAT VAST majority of these new cases are more likely related to TENS OF THOUSANDS of people protesting and rioting.

Rather than people bar hopping.

It’s both. It was terrible that hundreds to thousands of people gathered to protest here for 3 weeks, shortly after the state reopened. Combine the protests with people going out and you’ve got 4+ weeks of bad decisions leading AZ to this very spot with no further beds available.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

How could there not be a difference in tone?

I know you, BleedingRed, and BigCatDaddy like to live in binary, black and white fantasy worlds, but life is just shades of grey.

Let's imagine there's a spectrum or scale of justified risk exposure.

On one end of the spectrum, you're risking exposing yourself and others to the virus because you want a different color of underwear to wear. On the other end of the spectrum, you're risking exposure to the virus because your child will die if you don't get to them.

Do you think going to a bar and going to a protest for a just cause are on the same level within that spectrum?

Please note, I am not condoning or condemning either. I am simply trying to paint a picture of why people may take a different tone while fully realizing the virus doesn't care.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize Covid cared about where you were? I didn't realize it's okay to go out and get\spread Covid as long as it is for a "just cause".

What you are doing is trying to justify why one is okay to go get\spread the infection and one isn't when the end result is the same.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm sorry, I didn't realize Covid cared about where you were? I didn't realize it's okay to go out and get\spread Covid as long as it is for a "just cause".

What you are doing is trying to justify why one is okay to go get\spread the infection and one isn't when the end result is the same.

I don't think you read the entire post. That's okay.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Pants

Do you think going to a bar and going to a protest for a just cause are on the same level within that spectrum?

.

Yes, yes I ****ing do. As far as COVID 19 goes its honestly MUCH WORSE to go to a protest. And I support their right to protest. But jesus acting like bar hopping even comes close to the community spread as these protest did is ****ing smooth brain reeruned.

[Donger]

There were large protests in NYC, right?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It’s both. It was terrible that hundreds to thousands of people gathered to protest here for 3 weeks, shortly after the state reopened. Combine the protests with people going out and you’ve got 4+ weeks of bad decisions leading AZ to this very spot with no further beds available.

Of course it's both. But they won't acknowledge that because agenda.

[Donger]

For those who actually care to learn:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...tter-protests/