***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

To the "why is California spiking" question, it seems that non-compliance with the rules is not limited to the South.

80 Percent Of LA County Restaurants And Bars Are Not Following Coronavirus Guidelines
https://laist.com/latest/post/202006...rus-guidelines

Hang on just a sec...the bars opened like 8 days ago. Now up until this point all we heard was 2 weeks and such. No suddenly it must be hours because CA has been surging for a while now.

Sorry, I am not saying the bars don't have anything to do with it but I mean at any other point before this had you said x cause the surge when x took place less that 8 days ago everyone in their brother would have rushed to say it's too early to say it was that so it must have been something else. Now suddenly that is out the window???

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Hang on just a sec...the bars opened like 8 days ago. Now up until this point all we heard was 2 weeks and such. No suddenly it must be hours because CA has been surging for a while now.



Sorry, I am not saying the bars don't have anything to do with it but I mean at any other point before this had you said x cause the surge when x took place less that 8 days ago everyone in their brother would have rushed to say it's too early to say it was that so it must have been something else. Now suddenly that is out the window???

The article is about restaurants...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The article is about restaurants...

Fair enough. I guess I scrolled up to the part about bars and didn't realize it.

[tk13]

A bar in Michigan now has 85 cases tied to it.

Saturday update: 85 coronavirus cases linked to Harper's in East Lansing https://t.co/t2J6HntOhW

— Lansing State Journal (@LSJNews) June 27, 2020

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Japan has an extremely high mask wearing rate.



And even though it is a densely populated place, they don't do hand shakes, hugs, etc. They even tend to stand farther apart when talking.

They never locked down, but the government quietly focused on hotspots.

Australia I don't know.

So does South Korea.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DaFace

To the "why is California spiking" question, it seems that non-compliance with the rules is not limited to the South.

80 Percent Of LA County Restaurants And Bars Are Not Following Coronavirus Guidelines
https://laist.com/latest/post/202006...rus-guidelines

Well, I bet 100% of them are in Miami-Dade county. Because whats his face said so.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Ehhh....there's something more to this. Election year...divided nation...nothing seems to be off limits. I'll leave it at that. Call me a conspiritard...I don't ****ing care one goddamn bit. I'm not ****ing stupid.

Or.... And just hear me out here, maybe.... Just maybe the US was really bad in our response to this and the data is just reflecting that. But I'm sure youre probably right. A giant world wide conspiracy involving millions of people is probably the more likely reason.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan

Or.... And just hear me out here, maybe.... Just maybe the US was really bad in our response to this and the data is just reflecting that. But I'm sure youre probably right. A giant world wide conspiracy involving millions of people is probably the more likely reason.

He didn't say anything about a world wide conspiracy, but meanwhile NYC keeps justifying their nursing home policy while blaming the government for their death toll.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If you really lock down and isolate for four weeks you can bring even a large number of cases down.

Afterwards, if you test, test, test, contact trace, and actually isolate as needed you can keep a handle on it.

Many countries made provisions for isolating individuals. From getting them their own room at a previous hotel to having social workers who would bring them groceries and pharmaceuticals as needed. And they were given financial support.

The US did a big financial support but it didn't reach everyone. We had\have a lot of workers who should be isolating but don't feel they can afford to.

The politicalzation of the response didn't help.

I don’t remember which one but one of the big epidemiologist said this as well but also said eventually, that strategy breaks down. We saw it happen those places as well.

It’s just a damn hard thing

[O.city]

New York politicians are now lecturing other states

That’s ironic

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

New York politicians are now lecturing other states

That’s ironic

Its absolutely insane.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by O.city

New York politicians are now lecturing other states

That’s ironic

blantant political post. Ease it back man.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by eDave

blantant political post. Ease it back man.

Pfffttttt.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

New York politicians are now lecturing other states

That’s ironic

Why is that ironic? They aren't seeing a surge. They've stomped this bug.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why is that ironic? They aren't seeing a surge.

After the response and issues in New York, I think I’d probably lay low for a while if I were them