***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Why is that ironic? They aren't seeing a surge. They've stomped this bug.

Just wow.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

New York politicians are now lecturing other states

That’s ironic

IKR?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

After the response and issues in New York, I think I’d probably lay low for a while if I were them

Yes, they had exponential growth and lots of deaths. That's to be expected in such a population dense area.

If you look at where they are now, I'd rather be there than in Florida, California, Texas, etc.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Just wow.

Wow what?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Just wow.

Are you really that surprised?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, they had exponential growth and lots of deaths. That's to be expected in such a population dense area.



If you look at where they are now, I'd rather be there than in Florida, California, Texas, etc.

There's no question that New York's slow response in the beginning was a major problem. You can argue that, if they'd been more aggressive, the rest of the country would be in better shape. (Granted, they didn't know what they were up against.)

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's no question that New York's slow response in the beginning was a major problem. You can argue that, if they'd been more aggressive, the rest of the country would be in better shape. (Granted, they didn't know what they were up against.)

If you look at the genetic data of the virus in different spots, the vast majority of the nation was seeded from New York. Then there’s the whole nursing home fiasco

They are probably at a point where immunity has kicked in though but getting there was a doozy

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's no question that New York's slow response in the beginning was a major problem. You can argue that, if they'd been more aggressive, the rest of the country would be in better shape. (Granted, they didn't know what they were up against.)

Yes, no question. Like I said, they had massive growth and resulting deaths. But, look at them now. There's no question that what they have done has been successful in drastically reducing the cases and deaths.

Like I said, would you rather be in Phoenix or NYC right now?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, they had exponential growth and lots of deaths. That's to be expected in such a population dense area.

If you look at where they are now, I'd rather be there than in Florida, California, Texas, etc.

Agreed, and that isn't about cuomo, who fumbled a lot of the response. It probably isn't as much about herd immunity as some claim either. It's that their residents are taking it a hell of a lot more seriously because they saw the worst of it firsthand. Likely the reason Japan and Korea did so well containing the virus.

Seems the biggest factors are population density, how seriously did the governor take it (including how aggressive was their reopening timeline), how seriously are the people taking it. When you fail on all 3, look out.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, no question. Like I said, they had massive growth and resulting deaths. But, look at them now. There's no question that what they have done has been successful in drastically reducing the cases and deaths.

Like I said, would you rather be in Phoenix or NYC right now?

This is one epically stupid post in a sea of stupid posts in this thread. Congrats.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is one epically stupid post in a sea of stupid posts in this thread. Congrats.

It's just a fact. Look at the numbers. Sorry of you don't like them.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

It's just a fact. Look at the numbers. Sorry of you don't like them.

Look at their death rate and such of what they did to get there .

Then seeing how quickly they came down the curve, seems to speak more to immunity than what they actually did. Coupled with their serology numbers and the fact we’re finding asymptomatic and mild infections don’t seroconvert it’s probably even an undercount

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, no question. Like I said, they had massive growth and resulting deaths. But, look at them now. There's no question that what they have done has been successful in drastically reducing the cases and deaths.

Like I said, would you rather be in Phoenix or NYC right now?

But should they (New York) be lecturing others? The more fair question is: Would you rather have New York’s March or Phoenix’s June? I’ll take Phoenix’s June. I get that I’m a little biased since I live in Phoenix but I’m no Arizona apologist and I’m moving anyway so I’m as impartial as a Phoenician can be.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Look at their death rate and such of what they did to get there .

Then seeing how quickly they came down the curve, seems to speak more to immunity than what they actually did. Coupled with their serology numbers and the fact we’re finding asymptomatic and mild infections don’t seroconvert it’s probably even an undercount

Death rate in what regard? Deaths per 100,000?

You think their drop in cases was due to herd immunity?

[O.city]

Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities in the world and has only had 6 deaths

Masking works