****2016 Chiefs Training Camp Thread****

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unlike Hill, both Conley and DAT were injured in training camp and couldn't participate much, if it all. Conley definitely had an ankle sprain, which IIRC, was DAT's injury, too. Both came into the season around Week 6 and weren't able to contribute much.

As long as he's healthy, I'd expect Hill's role to grow over the course of the season.

But unlike when DAT was a rookie, this offense can be prolific without gadget plays. We have Maclin now. Kelce's only improving. Smith has more and more freedom (and confidence). The gadget plays that got DAT space/yards aren't necessarily a good thing for this offense anymore. We have enough weapons that Reid's primary motivation should be to put Smith is situations to choose how best to use them.

And unlike Conley as a rookie, Hill would have to deal with....Conley. Conley got on the field a fair amount as the season progressed because he needed to move past Avant and Wilson. Well Wilson's still here (and as much as it pains you, Hill hasn't passed him) and now Conley's here to fight for snaps/targets as well.

If Hill's getting a lot of targets, something's gone awry, IMO. Either Reid's decided to impose himself on the offense again or Conley and/or Maclin have been injured.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

From the camp clips and what I've seen in the preseason, I'm confident in saying that Hill is a much better WR than DAT. He's better rout runner, more aggressive and better hands catching the ball, and he's faster/quicker.

I'd say throw DAT and Conley's rookie seasons together, and that's about what I expect out of Hill.

I think he's better than thomas, but again, I don't know how many touches he gets to get there.

There's quite a bit of talent on offense.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unlike Hill, both Conley and DAT were injured in training camp and couldn't participate much, if it all. Conley definitely had an ankle sprain, which IIRC, was DAT's injury, too. Both came into the season around Week 6 and weren't able to contribute much.

As long as he's healthy, I'd expect Hill's role to grow over the course of the season and for him to contribute more than just 200 yards and 2 TD's.

That's a good point. I remember Conley's late start, but I forgot that DAT also had one.

The Hill hype was obviously out of control, but I think people are letting his lack of production in the preseason fooling them into thinking he's a fluke. Even in the few oppurtunities he's had you can see the talent and natural receiver ability. That out of bounds catch from Foles in the back of the endzone is a perfect example.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But unlike when DAT was a rookie, this offense can be prolific without gadget plays. We have Maclin now. Kelce's only improving. Smith has more and more freedom (and confidence). The gadget plays that got DAT space/yards aren't necessarily a good thing for this offense anymore. We have enough weapons that Reid's primary motivation should be to put Smith is situations to choose how best to use them.

And unlike Conley as a rookie, Hill would have to deal with....Conley. Conley got on the field a fair amount as the season progressed because he needed to move past Avant and Wilson. Well Wilson's still here (and as much as it pains you, Hill hasn't passed him) and now Conley's here to fight for snaps/targets as well.

If Hill's getting a lot of targets, something's gone awry, IMO. Either Reid's decided to impose himself on the offense again or Conley and/or Maclin have been injured.

I'm not expecting Hill to rack up 800 yards of offense in 2016 but I expect him to contribute more than DAT's 156 or Conley's 200.

I also expect his contributions to be greater over the second half of the season versus the first, as he'll need to gain Smith's trust while the co-offensive coordinators learn how to use him best against opposing defenses.

Maclin, Conley and Streater are better options at this point, as is Kelce (I'm leaving out Charles because I have no idea how far he's progressed and/or if/when he returns to previous form).

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But unlike when DAT was a rookie, this offense can be prolific without gadget plays. We have Maclin now. Kelce's only improving. Smith has more and more freedom (and confidence). The gadget plays that got DAT space/yards aren't necessarily a good thing for this offense anymore. We have enough weapons that Reid's primary motivation should be to put Smith is situations to choose how best to use them.

And unlike Conley as a rookie, Hill would have to deal with....Conley. Conley got on the field a fair amount as the season progressed because he needed to move past Avant and Wilson. Well Wilson's still here (and as much as it pains you, Hill hasn't passed him) and now Conley's here to fight for snaps/targets as well.

If Hill's getting a lot of targets, something's gone awry, IMO. Either Reid's decided to impose himself on the offense again or Conley and/or Maclin have been injured.

If he's getting touches in the offense, that's a different story though.

I don't have a problem manufacturing a touch or two for him, but he needs to be getting the ball in space that he's created thru separation and route running.

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think he's better than thomas, but again, I don't know how many touches he gets to get there.

There's quite a bit of talent on offense.

The way I see it, Thomas has been more impressive in the games than Hill. However it sounds like Hill has looked very good in practice. I think people are selling DAT a bit short as he definitely has some skills. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Antonio Brown rookie year: 167 yards, 0 TD
Brandin Cooks rookie year: 550 yards, 3 TD
DeSean Jackson rookie year: 912 yards, 2 TD


Probably somewhere in the middle.

Cooks lost 6 and a half games due to a broken finger that year. Just sayin'.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Meatloaf

The way I see it, Thomas has been more impressive in the games than Hill. However it sounds like Hill has looked very good in practice. I think people are selling DAT a bit short as he definitely has some skills. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

DAT's issue is can he stay healthy throughout a season? He hasn't so far.

[Meatloaf]

Originally Posted by Frosty

DAT's issue is can he stay healthy throughout a season? He hasn't so far.

Yup, he's certainly not as stout as Hill.

[RunKC]

Conley missed some camp time last year and still played 369 snaps. I can't see a way we keep a talent like Hill on the sideline when he's got elite speed and is actually knows how to play WR unlike DMC or DAT.

He won't play that much on offense, but I expect a lot of jet sweep, screen and decoy snaps for him. Just enough to add a new wrinkle to the offense.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Conley missed some camp time last year and still played 369 snaps. I can't see a way we keep a talent like Hill on the sideline when he's got elite speed and is actually knows how to play WR unlike DMC or DAT.

He won't play that much on offense, but I expect a lot of jet sweep, screen and decoy snaps for him. Just enough to add a new wrinkle to the offense.

I'd rather give those jet sweeps a d screens to charles.

[Marcellus]

You guys are getting sidetracked. Hill would be taking Wilsons reps and catches which won't be a large number anyway.

Taking Wilsons job still makes him 4th in catches behind Maclin, Kelcey, and hopefully Conley.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You guys are getting sidetracked. Hill would be taking Wilsons reps and catches which won't be a large number anyway.

Taking Wilsons job still makes him 4th in catches behind Maclin, Kelcey, and hopefully Conley.

And it presumes that Streater doesn't take Wilson's snaps as well.

They're not going to pay Streater those per game bonuses just to make him the 5th WR. If he's on the team, he's going to get more snaps than Hill.

Right now, Hill's the 5th WR behind Maclin, Conley, Streater and Wilson, IMO. He's going to have a damn hard time making an impact as part of the normal flow of the offense.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd rather give those jet sweeps a d screens to charles.

I'd rather consign about 3/4 of those jet sweeps and screens to the scrap heap.

This team has too many weapons to be cute for the sake of being cute.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd rather give those jet sweeps a d screens to charles.

Or put Charles and Hill in the backfield and have both run to the flat on Alex's left and right with Maclin/Conley going vertical and Kelce running in the middle of the field.

Very tough matchup for LB's to defend.