***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

sure people die in ICU’s. Your in an ICU. Something bad is happening health wise with you. I was just saying that if your already on a vent, the COPD wouldn’t be the cause to lose the step-dad post op. Sorry for any confusion.

"no worries about the coronavirus. Im assuming he’s already on a vent. It’s going to be no different for a patient with COPD post surgery that gets a new bug like pneumonia. They are already on a vent."

I'm not trying to belabor, but you make some posts that are not medically correct.

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by eDave

Ostrich Festival cancelled.

The organisers should have seen this coming, damnit. With all the stuff in the news these days these guys must have had their heads buried in the - oh, wait. Nevermind.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Now people are hoarding dog and cat food. I guess that's better than shitter paper.

At least they'll taste better if they're well fed.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Donger

And the antibiotics used cause thousands of people to die every year?

35,000 people die a year due to antibiotics resistance. How much of that is from livestock is difficult to study

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Donger

The French just surrendered (again)...

(CNN)French Prime Minister Édouard Philippe announced on Saturday that his country will increase social distancing to combat the spread of the coronavirus pandemic.

In a televised press conference, Philippe said that starting at midnight Saturday, all places that are not essential to French living, including restaurants, cafes, cinemas and clubs, will be closed.

The closure order includes all businesses except those that are essential.
"Markets and food shops, pharmacies, gas stations, banks, newspaper and tobacco stores will remain open," Philippe said. "Places of worships will remain open, but religious ceremonies and gatherings will be postponed."

[Mennonite]

FRANCE NOW AT EPIDEMIC LEVEL. All restaurants, cafés, non-essential services closed. MORE THAN 50% OF THE 300 #COVIDー19 CASES IN FRENCH ICUs ARE PEOPLE UNDER 60; France now has 4,500 cases, which doubled in the past 72 hours, said Jérôme Salomon, head of French health service.

— Rachel Donadio (@RachelDonadio) March 14, 2020

[Donger]

Originally Posted by SupDock

35,000 people die a year due to antibiotics resistance. How much of that is from livestock is difficult to study

Okay, but I'm trying to understand this. So the animals that have been given the antibiotics kill people who consume the animals them how? The animal meat contains lethal bacteria that comes from antibiotics? Or, the animals become resistant to the antibiotics because of over-usage?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

FRANCE NOW AT EPIDEMIC LEVEL. All restaurants, cafés, non-essential services closed. MORE THAN 50% OF THE 300 #COVIDー19 CASES IN FRENCH ICUs ARE PEOPLE UNDER 60; France now has 4,500 cases, which doubled in the past 72 hours, said Jérôme Salomon, head of French health service.

— Rachel Donadio (@RachelDonadio) March 14, 2020

No need to be concerned though, that’s what they say at least!



This is about to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Donger

And the antibiotics used cause thousands of people to die every year?

The resistance patterns that have emerged as a result of overuse do, especially given that around 35k people die from MDR bugs every year, and not all of those are merely hospital- related.

[Megatron96]

Buddy of mine that owns a LGS texted me yesterday to tell me that the nutters bought all of his 9mm and .223 ammo yesterday in four hours.

Are some of you people running down the TEOWAWKI rabbit hole?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The resistance patterns that have emerged as a result of overuse do, especially given that around 35k people die from MDR bugs every year, and not all of those are merely hospital- related.

Thanks. And would cooking the meat to the correct temperature kill the bacteria?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay, but I'm trying to understand this. So the animals that have been given the antibiotics kill people who consume the animals them how? The animal meat contains lethal bacteria that comes from antibiotics? Or, the animals become resistant to the antibiotics because of over-usage?

Effluent contains resistant bugs, the meat contains resistant bugs, the farmers themselves are found to harbor resistant bugs, and so on.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Donger

Thanks. And would cooking the meat to the correct temperature kill the bacteria?

Sure, if that was all it impacted (looking at you, leafy greens).

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Sure, if that was all it impacted (looking at you, leafy greens).

Well, we were discussing meat, specifically bushmeat.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Donger

Okay, but I'm trying to understand this. So the animals that have been given the antibiotics kill people who consume the animals them how? The animal meat contains lethal bacteria that comes from antibiotics? Or, the animals become resistant to the antibiotics because of over-usage?

There's a few different reasons. One is that resistant bacteria are consumed in the animal meat, or introduced on plants that are fecally contaminated.