***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Riiiighhhttt.....he lied. Period. Reasoning aside, he lied.

That does seem like the main issue for people.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Riiiighhhttt.....he lied. Period. Reasoning aside, he lied.

Do you still call your parents liars for all those years they told you Santa existed?

[KCUnited]

Early returns on Chicago bar/restaurant opening for indoor service last Friday haven't been good. Long lines to get in with little distancing or masks occuring. The paradox being establishments can mandate distancing and masks while inside but have little control over patrons gathering outside due to the 50 person occupancy limits. With many saturated entertainment districts, it's creating crowds of people gathering throughout the city. I guess the silver lining is consumer confidence among bar/restaurant patrons appears high.

Feel this could be the crux of having sports with no fans, people gathering elsewhere to watch, likely inside during football season. I guess you hope to mitigate it to under a certain amount.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you still call your parents liars for all those years they told you Santa existed?

As unrelated and nonsensical as that reads in regards to the situation, it also seems like a profound and accurate representation of how Fauci must be feeling when it comes to finding the right words to use for the masses, and then dealing with the backlash.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

As unrelated and nonsensical as that reads in regards to the situation, it also seems like a profound and accurate representation of how Fauci must be feeling when it comes to finding the right words to use for the masses, and then dealing with the backlash.

Did you hear his testimony yesterday?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Donger

Did you hear his testimony yesterday?

I have not.

I imagine he's aged by about 30 years over the past few months.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Riiiighhhttt.....he lied. Period. Reasoning aside, he lied.

And im sure you've never lied in your life. **** outta here

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I have not.

I imagine he's aged by about 30 years over the past few months.

But if you were listening, and I think you were, to my opening statement and my response to one of the questions, I feel very strongly we need to do whatever we can to get the children back to school. So I think we are in lock agreement with that. The other thing that I’d like to clarify very briefly is that when things get in the press of what I supposedly said, I didn’t say. I never said we can’t play a certain sport.

What happens is that people in the sport industry, they could either be people from players association, owners, people involved in the health of the players ask me opinions regarding certain facts about the spread of the virus, what the dynamics are. I give it and then it gets interpreted that I’m saying you can’t play this sport or you can’t play that sport. I agree with you. I am completely unqualified to tell you whether you can play a sport or not. The only thing that I can do is, to the best of my ability, give you the facts and the evidence associating what I know about this outbreak. Thank you.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Donger

But if you were listening, and I think you were, to my opening statement and my response to one of the questions, I feel very strongly we need to do whatever we can to get the children back to school. So I think we are in lock agreement with that. The other thing that I’d like to clarify very briefly is that when things get in the press of what I supposedly said, I didn’t say. I never said we can’t play a certain sport.

What happens is that people in the sport industry, they could either be people from players association, owners, people involved in the health of the players ask me opinions regarding certain facts about the spread of the virus, what the dynamics are. I give it and then it gets interpreted that I’m saying you can’t play this sport or you can’t play that sport. I agree with you. I am completely unqualified to tell you whether you can play a sport or not. The only thing that I can do is, to the best of my ability, give you the facts and the evidence associating what I know about this outbreak. Thank you.

One of the big frustrations with this whole thing.... science is gathering data and making conclusions. The media and masses are all about turning it into static "facts" and right vs. wrong.

[Kiimo]

Imagine how much better this thread would be if Pete were banned from it

[lewdog]

New single day records in AZ.

4878 new cases.

88 deaths.

No reporting lag to put with this. Actual numbers today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktar.co...88-deaths/amp/

[eDave]

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Cases

• This is the largest daily case total (4,878) to date and the largest death total (88) added in a single daily report.
• 7-day avg. is heading north again.
• We are headed to 100,000 cases within the next 7 days.

Testing

• Higher than normal PCR testing at 17K.
• It's likely labs are expanding capacity.

Spread

• Overall PCR positive test percentage shot up from 12% to 12.4% (based on 549K tests, up from a 6.6% low).
• Average for this week shot up to 24% (based on 3K cases, up from 20% last week).

Hospital Utilization

• COVID Hospitalizations went up 3% (another all time high).
• ICU beds for COVID patients dropped 1% (Overall ICU bed usage shot up 86% to 89%).
• Ventilators in use for COVID went up 2%.

ADHS
CHARTS

Misc Notes

• As of today, AZ has become the 9th worst state of coronavirus cases by sheer volume (Georgia may leapfrog back over us after their report though).
• Maricopa County is getting particularly bad. Nearly 1 in 3 tests came back positive in today's report.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This was announced today. We tried to take Cushing to an Emergency type facility last year to save it from closing altogether. Now the Rona has forced it to be closed. Probably won't be the last closing you hear about in the KC area from Saint Luke's as well as others.

The reluctance to open up elective surgeries caused a lot of devastating to health systems in the area.

The plan for closing Cushing was in the works the moment it was acquired. It was never going to stay open. The idea was to move assets to areas of need.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

The truth at the time was the real possibility of mask shortages.

Later on, it wasn't a concern.

I could imagine some outlandish scenario where mask production went into high gear due to a worldwide pandemic and possible shortages.


Another truth at the time was they didn't know how contagious Covid was and as Donger mentioned, hadn't seen it in action in the US yet.
Later on, they learned things, so conclusions changed.

That's generally how the world works.

Everything is made in China which was locked down. We need to move our PPE infrastructure back inside the US. I suggested very early on the government could purchase old factories no longer in use and use them to ramp up but that probably made to much sense.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by lewdog

New single day records in AZ.

4878 new cases.

88 deaths.

No reporting lag to put with this. Actual numbers today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktar.co...88-deaths/amp/

I question whether the 88 deaths is not another reporting lag. Why? Here are the reported deaths by date of death straight off the Arizona dashboard.

June 24 18
June 25 16
June 27 17
June 28 9
June 29 4
June 30 3

Grand total for SEVEN days of 78 deaths.