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Old 04-18-2010, 10:56 AM  
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Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First Round
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Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First*Round

by Joel Thorman on Apr 18, 2010 10:34 AM CDT in 2010 Campaign

Last year about this time, Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post first reported that the Chiefs were "in love" with LSU DE Tyson Jackson. A few days later and Jackson was the Chiefs pick in the draft.

Now Lombardi reports that the Chiefs are trying like hell to move down in the draft.

"The Chiefs are trying, and I mean really trying, to move down," Lombardi reports. "My sources tell me they'll be willing to go down as far as 15 for the right deal because they feel they can find a player in that range."

It's a fine line between trading down and trading down too far. According to Lombardi, our theory of the Eagles offering up the 24th and 37th picks for the Chiefs fifth pick doesn't look like it's happening. By staying around 15, they can still have a shot at a game changer -- Alabama LB Rolando McClain and Texas S Earl Thomas come to mind here -- as well as picking up extra selections.

That said, who's the Chiefs trading partner? SB Nation's Mocking The Draft takes an excellent look at this situation and comes to the conclusion that San Francisco might be the only team in that area that has a chance of moving up.

Lombardi reports the Chiefs are hoping someone wants to get in line to pick Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:15 PM   #361
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It's pretty widely known that Carl was handcuffing Herm in the early years. It wasn't until Herm and Kuharich were given the independence to make decisions and Carl got pushed to the side that the Chiefs started to make great personnel moves.

Herm wasn't given a lot of resources. He wasn't given a lot of money to spend. And until 2008, he didn't have a lot of marquee draft picks to work with. I can only imagine how our roster would have looked if Peterson: a) didn't **** up all the Vermeil drafts; b) didn't stupidly push Jared Allen out of town; c) didn't force the team to build now instead of rebuild when it was too late.

For as much shit as Herm got, he did just fine. And if the Chiefs ran a 4-3 today, they wouldn't be far away from a terrific defense.
Herm is this you? Were the Jets handcuffing you too? BTW you suck as a head coach.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:15 PM   #362
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And that had nothing to do with the fact that all of Vermeil's players were at the end of their careers.

Or the fact that because of horrible drafting during the Vermeil years, the Chiefs had almost no good talent under 30.

You're essentially asking Herm Edwards to build an entire team in 3 drafts, with almost no free agent help.
Herm was the one who decided to go with Croyle as his guy.
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:15 PM   #363
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I don't know about that. 2006 and 07 were below average at best.
Again - based on what?

Those 2 drafts were the very definition of average, IMO. We got a couple of starters, sometimes even very good ones (Bowe and Hali, while they have their flaws, are guys that would start on virtually every team in the league and could certainly start for a championship club). We also got a couple of absolute busts, sometimes shockingly bad ones (Turk McBride was embarassing from the start).

They were solid.
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Herm was the one who decided to go with Croyle as his guy.
That was ridiculously stupid.
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That was ridiculously stupid.
As was Herm.
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So ignore that part, I don't care. I disagree that Taylor isn't a starting caliber O-lineman, but it was a throwaway line at the end of the post.

Herm Edwards never had a 'bad' draft in KC. He had 2 solid ones and a great one. That's a track record that most any coach or GM in football would be happy to have.
Well considering he drafted 2 players Flowers and Charles who you could consider "Impact" type players I would have to disagree. Hell Flowers is probably overrated by the fan base at this point. He is far from a shutdown corner.

Everybody wants an "impact high level" player in this draft. No 1st round pick from Herm's time fits that.

Tank and Turk were the suck. Yes, yes they were and are. Pollard is average to less than average. Let's call him average with a shit attitude.There is a reason the Texan's gave him another 1 year contract. It's not because he is awesome.

Croyle is very talented? At what? Throwing hard and and rehabbing?

DJ is a huge disappointment. And it's not this coaching staffs fault he cant put together a ****ing complete mistake free game in 4 years. He started for 3 straight years and never lived up to the hype.

I don't see Herm being a draft genius.
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That was ridiculously stupid.
There was no secret about Croyles durability. And even if Croyle was the guy that last season Herm should have signed Pennington the Chiefs would have won a few more games and theres no doubt Herm would have gotten another year as coach and they could have drafted Sanchez.
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I thought the Hali draft was a complete pile of turd, I hated that draft from the second it happened.
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There was no secret about Croyles durability. And even if Croyle was the guy that last season Herm should have signed Pennington the Chiefs would have won a few more games and theres no doubt Herm would have gotten another year as coach and they could have drafted Sanchez.
Winning a few more games would have put them out of position for Sanchez, but I take your point.

I said last year that Herm definitely would have drafted Sanchez, simply because a n00b QB typically buys a HC more time b/c of the built-in excuse.

And Herm loved excuses.
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I thought the Hali draft was a complete pile of turd, I hated that draft from the second it happened.
Me too I remember Halis first game he got owned aginst the run and hasn't improved that much to be honest.
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Again - based on what?

Those 2 drafts were the very definition of average, IMO. We got a couple of starters, sometimes even very good ones (Bowe and Hali, while they have their flaws, are guys that would start on virtually every team in the league and could certainly start for a championship club). We also got a couple of absolute busts, sometimes shockingly bad ones (Turk McBride was embarassing from the start).

They were solid.
I could probably agree with you that the 2006 was average because of Hali, Page, Croyle and Pollard. But 2007 was an abortion outside of Bowe. If your stance that those 2 years were average than Pioli's draft last year was average.
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Herm was the one who decided to go with Croyle as his guy.
Not a good decision, but mostly because he was too fragile.
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Well considering he drafted 2 players Flowers and Charles who you could consider "Impact" type players I would have to disagree. Hell Flowers is probably overrated by the fan base at this point. He is far from a shutdown corner.

Everybody wants an "impact high level" player in this draft. No 1st round pick from Herm's time fits that.

Tank and Turk were the suck. Yes, yes they were and are. Pollard is average to less than average. Let's call him average with a shit attitude.There is a reason the Texan's gave him another 1 year contract. It's not because he is awesome.

Croyle is very talented? At what? Throwing hard and and rehabbing?

DJ is a huge disappointment. And it's not this coaching staffs fault he cant put together a ****ing complete mistake free game in 4 years. He started for 3 straight years and never lived up to the hype.

I don't see Herm being a draft genius.
I don't either - but Herm didn't draft DJ.
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I don't either - but Herm didn't draft DJ.
Correct. I think Hali was his first.
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