what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?

[wutamess]

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

[Dexter Manley]

"Stop settling on journeyman QBs"

Yeah, like Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Steve young...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bobbie

Sign BRAD JOHNSON... and win a Super Bowl...


Got that, jackass???

Where are we getting a former 1st-round QB?

Please point out the available ones we should acquire.

[Dexter Manley]

Originally Posted by Omega

Where are we getting a former 1st-round QB?

Please point out the available ones we should acquire.

I don't care what round the FA QB was Drafted. I care what he is as a player.

Right now, roughly half of NFL teams need QB upgrades. I wish I had a good answer. QB is the NFL's "shortage" position.

Also, QB has the steepest "learning curve" of any position, which is why so many First Round QBs ended up winning the SB with another team.

The Chiefs need an upgrade at QB, no question. I just don't think the ONLY WAY to cure that is "spending the First on one..."

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bobbie

I just don't think the ONLY WAY to cure that is "spending the First on one..."

True. It's only the most likely way.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by O.city

wasn't the passing game ranked like 30 in the league?


And that with the best running game in the league and 8 in the box

16th overall

With the Chiefs being in the top 8 in throws over 40 yards.
Middle of the road in sacks at 39
O line pass blocking ranking 25th
Completion percentage at 55%. Only the Raiders were worse. However, we
-were 1st in the league in dropped passes.


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta..._PASSER_RATING

If you look at the numbers you'll see Cassels numbers were middle of the pack or better with the exception of completion pertcentage. He was also one of the best red zone QBs in the league.

Does that mean he's great QB? Of course not. But it does say he made the team better instead of worse. The O iine was the worst unit on the team, and almost the worst in the league.

This will translate into poor play for anyone behind center. Especially a rook.

Now before everyone goes off the deep end, Im not saying I wouldn't want a new QB. I would love the prospect of developing our own. What I am saying though is regardless who you get, with the current O line expect that QB to produce at a mediocre to bottom of the league level.

Also people need to quit blaming everything that goes wrong on the QB. For god sake there are other positions on the team. He grades out as mediocre to slightly above average in nearly every category. Which I agree is not good enough. However, the O line grades out as one of the worst in the game. You can spin it any way you want, but the numbers tell a story that are in line with what I see on the field every Sunday.

We have a terrible O line with a mediocre to slightly above average QB. You put a rookie back there and he's liable to look more like David Carr than Andy Dalton. QB is only a fraction of the answer for the Chiefs.

This is just my opinion based on the numbers, and what I see. Try not to get too bent out of shape over it.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

If you look at the numbers you'll Cassels numbers were middle of the pack or better with the exception of completion pertcentage.

What?

Cassel was 24th in yards per game.

We have a terrible O line

As it's been proven all year long, we really don't. We had an excellent game Sunday and on the year are ranked in the top 10 in pass blocking efficiency.

Cassel is our biggest problem.

His last 11 games are complete dogshit and nowhere near "mediocre."

56% completion percentage
1,898 yards
5.9 yards per attempt
10 TD
14 INT
65.9 QB rating

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Did we ever stop to think that maybe the fact that they haven't drafted a 1st round QB is an indicator that they haven't properly evaluated the position and we shouldn't use their inability to evaluate as justification for not taking one.

I would think that knowing your limitations in evaluating the QB position would be a great justification for not taking one.

That said, you need to start going after the source of the problem AND FIND someone who can evaluate QB's instead of running from the problem and avoiding it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

16th overall

With the Chiefs being in the top 8 in throws over 40 yards.
Middle of the road in sacks at 39
O line pass blocking ranking 25th
Completion percentage at 55%. Only the Raiders were worse. However, we
-were 1st in the league in dropped passes.


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta..._PASSER_RATING

If you look at the numbers you'll see Cassels numbers were middle of the pack or better with the exception of completion pertcentage. He was also one of the best red zone QBs in the league.

Does that mean he's great QB? Of course not. But it does say he made the team better instead of worse. The O iine was the worst unit on the team, and almost the worst in the league.

This will translate into poor play for anyone behind center. Especially a rook.

Now before everyone goes off the deep end, Im not saying I wouldn't want a new QB. I would love the prospect of developing our own. What I am saying though is regardless who you get, with the current O line expect that QB to produce at a mediocre to bottom of the league level.

Also people need to quit blaming everything that goes wrong on the QB. For god sake there are other positions on the team. He grades out as mediocre to slightly above average in nearly every category. Which I agree is not good enough. However, the O line grades out as one of the worst in the game. You can spin it any way you want, but the numbers tell a story that are in line with what I see on the field every Sunday.

We have a terrible O line with a mediocre to slightly above average QB. You put a rookie back there and he's liable to look more like David Carr than Andy Dalton. QB is only a fraction of the answer for the Chiefs.

This is just my opinion based on the numbers, and what I see. Try not to get too bent out of shape over it.

Terrible OL? Did you watch the game Sunday? Looked to me like Orton had all day back there.

[FringeNC]

Couple thoughts:

First, how can some of you guys still think Cassel is a serviceable QB after Orton embarrassed him on Sunday? Orton was far more in command in his first start than Cassel EVER was.

Second, why is NFL QB scouting so bad? I hear all this talk about how good TJ Yates is and will be. Well then, why the **** was he a 5th round draft pick? Obviously, in a re-draft, he'd be taken much higher, but why did he fall in the first place?

[whoman69]

Cassel 25th in rating (76.6), 28th in YPA (6.37), 28th in yards per game (190), 20th in completion % (59.5).

[milkman]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

.

This is just my opinion based on the numbers, and what I see. Try not to get too bent out of shape over it.

When's the last time you had your eyes checked?

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

16th overall

With the Chiefs being in the top 8 in throws over 40 yards.
Middle of the road in sacks at 39
O line pass blocking ranking 25th
Completion percentage at 55%. Only the Raiders were worse. However, we
-were 1st in the league in dropped passes.


http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta..._PASSER_RATING

If you look at the numbers you'll see Cassels numbers were middle of the pack or better with the exception of completion pertcentage. He was also one of the best red zone QBs in the league.

Does that mean he's great QB? Of course not. But it does say he made the team better instead of worse. The O iine was the worst unit on the team, and almost the worst in the league.

This will translate into poor play for anyone behind center. Especially a rook.

Now before everyone goes off the deep end, Im not saying I wouldn't want a new QB. I would love the prospect of developing our own. What I am saying though is regardless who you get, with the current O line expect that QB to produce at a mediocre to bottom of the league level.

Also people need to quit blaming everything that goes wrong on the QB. For god sake there are other positions on the team. He grades out as mediocre to slightly above average in nearly every category. Which I agree is not good enough. However, the O line grades out as one of the worst in the game. You can spin it any way you want, but the numbers tell a story that are in line with what I see on the field every Sunday.

We have a terrible O line with a mediocre to slightly above average QB. You put a rookie back there and he's liable to look more like David Carr than Andy Dalton. QB is only a fraction of the answer for the Chiefs.

This is just my opinion based on the numbers, and what I see. Try not to get too bent out of shape over it.

And you are still clueless about football.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by milkman

When's the last time you had your eyes checked?

My agenda colored glasses are broken. That and I am not compelled to argue all the time. It makes for a more accurate point of view. A more enjoyable experience on Sundays and a lower post count. In a word......open minded. Okay, two words.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

And you are still clueless about football.

How so? What do you disagree with. That we need a new QB? Or the O line needs imrovement?

Your rebuttal was a little vague

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Dave

Terrible OL? Did you watch the game Sunday? Looked to me like Orton had all day back there.

Im sorry. I was basing it on more than one game. Also left a link up so you could look at the numbers for yourself. I recommend you check out how each lineman grades out as well.

You dont have to take my word for it. The proof is easy to find (if youre willing to see it). Some are so invested in tyhier opinion, the obvious has become a rare affair.