The #Chiefs have agreed to terms with WR Richie James

[Mr_Tomahawk]

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...076715009?s=20

The #Chiefs have agreed to terms with WR Richie James, source says. After a breakout season with the #Giants (57 catches for 569 yards and 4 TDs), James becomes a target for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) April 7, 2023

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Like i said in the draft forum, i fully expect Moore vs James to be a legitimate camp battle. If Moore didn't/doesn't make the improvements everyone hopes/believes he will then no one should be surprised when James is out snapping him.

No question. James is OBVIOUS Skyy Moore insurance.

If Moore doesn't take a step forward, and frankly it'll need to be a pretty substantial one, then James should be getting snaps ahead of him and likely will be.

Now there's something to be said for OTJ training so I have no problem giving Moore enough rope to hang himself.

But if he goes out there rounding off and drifting on basic dig routes to cause interceptions or decides that downfield blocking is beneath him, then yeah - James will ascend to the 3 spot and probably should.

At that point, however, it's a discussion of how far Moore will drop more than a discussion of how high James can ascend. Because he'd have Rice and even Watson nipping at his heels if he's at/near the same caliber play as last season, IMO.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

I am soooooo freaking stoked for this season. Veach nailed this offseason so perfectly. I'm looking forward to this season more than any season I can remember. If we can stay away from too many serious injuries we're going back-to-back on the Raiders' home field.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No question. James is OBVIOUS Skyy Moore insurance.

If Moore doesn't take a step forward, and frankly it'll need to be a pretty substantial one, then James should be getting snaps ahead of him and likely will be.

Now there's something to be said for OTJ training so I have no problem giving Moore enough rope to hang himself.

But if he goes out there rounding off and drifting on basic dig routes to cause interceptions or decides that downfield blocking is beneath him, then yeah - James will ascend to the 3 spot and probably should.

At that point, however, it's a discussion of how far Moore will drop more than a discussion of how high James can ascend. Because he'd have Rice and even Watson nipping at his heels if he's at/near the same caliber play as last season, IMO.

Good point on James and Moore.

If Moore is ahead of James early it will be a positive sign on his development.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No question. James is OBVIOUS Skyy Moore insurance.

If Moore doesn't take a step forward, and frankly it'll need to be a pretty substantial one, then James should be getting snaps ahead of him and likely will be.

Now there's something to be said for OTJ training so I have no problem giving Moore enough rope to hang himself.

But if he goes out there rounding off and drifting on basic dig routes to cause interceptions or decides that downfield blocking is beneath him, then yeah - James will ascend to the 3 spot and probably should.

At that point, however, it's a discussion of how far Moore will drop more than a discussion of how high James can ascend. Because he'd have Rice and even Watson nipping at his heels if he's at/near the same caliber play as last season, IMO.

What are your expectations for Rice then? What does success look like for him?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Good point on James and Moore.

If Moore is ahead of James early it will be a positive sign on his development.

Everything we've seen/heard from OTA's and mini camp points to this being the case.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No question. James is OBVIOUS Skyy Moore insurance.

If Moore doesn't take a step forward, and frankly it'll need to be a pretty substantial one, then James should be getting snaps ahead of him and likely will be.

Now there's something to be said for OTJ training so I have no problem giving Moore enough rope to hang himself.

But if he goes out there rounding off and drifting on basic dig routes to cause interceptions or decides that downfield blocking is beneath him, then yeah - James will ascend to the 3 spot and probably should.

At that point, however, it's a discussion of how far Moore will drop more than a discussion of how high James can ascend. Because he'd have Rice and even Watson nipping at his heels if he's at/near the same caliber play as last season, IMO.

I think James gives them good insurance for both Skyy Moore AND Kadarius Toney. It's just a really smart addition.

If Moore continues to do well, James lets them pitch count Toney.

If Moore slacks off, James can step in and Moore becomes the backup at both spots.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think James gives them good insurance for both Skyy Moore AND Kadarius Toney. It's just a really smart addition.

If Moore continues to do well, James lets them pitch count Toney.

If Moore slacks off, James can step in and Moore becomes the backup at both spots.

Good point. While Toney was out for a week of OTAs with his childhood friend passing away, Moore and James (along with MVS) appeared to be getting most of the reps with the 1s.

[RunKC]

I think Richie James is more of a Hardman replacement that can be insurance if Skyy isn't developing.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The theory goes that those 'separation' metrics have nothing to do with the ball but rather space out of breaks.

If that's true, I think you could chalk a lot of that up to scheme. Some guys can scheme players open and others can't. Reid's a master of it and, unsurprisingly, Kafka appears to be good at it as well.

I would honestly have expected Kingsbury to be pretty good at that sort of thing - but maybe he's not? Or...maybe that's just not Hopkins game. And I think there's possibly some truth in there as well. He's just never been an explosive player even at his best.

Kingsbury is a total ****ing hack. TOTAL ****ing hack.

The only thing he ever really accomplished was recruiting Mahomes and failing upward.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The theory goes that those 'separation' metrics have nothing to do with the ball but rather space out of breaks.

If that's true, I think you could chalk a lot of that up to scheme. Some guys can scheme players open and others can't. Reid's a master of it and, unsurprisingly, Kafka appears to be good at it as well.

I would honestly have expected Kingsbury to be pretty good at that sort of thing - but maybe he's not? Or...maybe that's just not Hopkins game. And I think there's possibly some truth in there as well. He's just never been an explosive player even at his best.

Doug Pederson. We used the concepts he installed when they played the Eagles last year.

And that's why I think the Jags will be more dangerous than the Bills this year. Give me Doug over McDermott every single time. Lawrence got really lucky to get him and I think he's gonna break out in year 2.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JPH83

What are your expectations for Rice then? What does success look like for him?

I haven't decided really, but I'm not sure he controls his own destiny either.

I think 4-500 yards is probably an overreach, but I do expect that he'll outperform what Moore did last season and I think he could make himself fairly useful as early as the 2nd quarter of the season in red zone and 3rd down packages where you're looking to find yards in tight spaces.

He's just a fairly unique set of tools for this squad. We haven't had anyone like him since Bowe. I have no idea what to expect because I'm not sure how he'll get used.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think James gives them good insurance for both Skyy Moore AND Kadarius Toney. It's just a really smart addition.

If Moore continues to do well, James lets them pitch count Toney.

If Moore slacks off, James can step in and Moore becomes the backup at both spots.

When we signed him, I cited Toney in my hockey analogy because I think that's EXACTLY how James makes himself really valuable here.

Ideally he's a 4. He might be a 3. But if (when) Toney goes down, he can 'play up' for short stretches and fill that Toney role in a productive fashion. And it's why I have him WAY ahead of Watson on my list - Watson can't play up. No matter how many injuries you have, he's a 5th WR and STs contributor. James, OTOH, can.

That's super useful when you know you have a guy in Toney who's injury prone.

At the risk of repeating myself:

Spoiler!

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What makes him particularly useful and why a veteran was necessary is he can play 'up the lineup' so to speak.

So in hockey you like to have a guy who is ideally situated on the 3rd line but you know injuries happen so when they do, that guy can be placed on the 2nd line and hold his own while you wait to get your regular 2nd liner back healthy.

So we have a REALLY injury prone guy in Kadarius Toney. So you know injuries are probably going to happen there. So now they have a depth guy in James who ideally is your WR4 (or hell, WR5) but when the inevitable occurs and Toney goes down for a bit, James is a guy you can ask a little more of and actually get it.

I don't think Watson played 'up the lineup' very well. He was just not a guy who we could send out there as a #3 and get decent production out of. James is.

[In58men]

Thought I’d share bc Bobby knows his shit.




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[Skyy God]

If MVPat’s trainer likes hm, I’m all in.

[Sassy Squatch]

Slept on to make the roster? No ****ing shit, Sherlock?

But yeah, glad to see a vote of confidence from the trainer.