***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Donger

The border with Mexico (and Canada) has been and remains closed to non-essentials.

Sort of... from what I've read of Arizona/Mexico crossings, it's no harder to get into Mexico than pre-pandemic times and Americans have gotten stern lectures from the US border patrol for re-entry after vacationing, but have no issues getting back in.

I assume the US is taking it more seriously, but it's probably not difficult to say travel is essential, either.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Elaborate.

With the trials going on in Brazil, I get the impression there's going to be a vaccine ready a lot sooner than ever anticipated. Best case scenario - early fall.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by TLO

With the trials going on in Brazil, I get the impression there's going to be a vaccine ready a lot sooner than ever anticipated. Best case scenario - early fall.

Was there an update on the trials?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Was there an update on the trials?

Just a few articles here and there. Here's one that gives some good news.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/article...m-immunity.htm

[suzzer99]

The problem is vaccines are rarely 100% effective. Some people still get the disease. But it's usually milder than if they never had a vaccine.

But if this vaccine is only 70% effective (which I've heard as a reasonable expectation), and 50% of the public refuses to get on off the bat, that could be a problem.

But to be fair, the way they're going to be rushing this thing through it seems reasonable to not necessarily want to be first in line for it.

[Discuss Thrower]

Study does not rule out Hydroxochloroquine cocktail as a treatment.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Study does not rule out Hydroxochloroquine cocktail as a treatment.

Yeah, but *certain* people touted it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Study does not rule out Hydroxochloroquine cocktail as a treatment.

[BigCatDaddy]

Trust the science!

[suzzer99]

I know a doctor in Seattle who was part of one of the Hydroxychloroquine studies. He said if there was a benefit it wasn't much from what he saw. He also posted this:

[BossChief]

Damn

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Study does not rule out Hydroxochloroquine cocktail as a treatment.

So they are not ruling it in either.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

There are some peculiar things in their data sets.

Those started on azithromycin alone were quite a bit sicker on average. Those started on hydroxychloroquine were healthier on average.

More people on hydroxychloroquine were admitted to the ICU, where mortality is highest, yet overall mortality was substantially lower than those who took neither hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin. Those on hydroxychloroquine or hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin spent more time on a vent, where mortality is again increased, and more were on a vent overall.

But here's the real difference:

Those on hyroxychloroquine were given steroids 78.9% of the time. Those on both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin were given steroids 74.3% of the time. Those on neither hydroxychloroquine nor azithromycin were given steroids 35.7% of the time.

Given what we know about the dexamethasone trials, that is your likely culprit for decreased mortality.

[Monticore]

Nobody is ruling out any drug for this.

these are trials going on in Canada
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...html#wb-auto-5

and this is a basic guideline for treatment

Currently, there are no drugs or vaccines authorized for COVID-19 in Canada. While some products may alleviate symptoms such as fever and cough, there are no proven treatments to prevent or cure the disease.

Among hospitalized patients who have COVID-19 and require supplemental oxygen or mechanical ventilation, clinicians should strongly consider:
•dexamethasone 6 mg IV for 10 days (or until discharge if earlier) or equivalent glucocorticoid dose

This guidance is not meant to replace clinical judgment or specialist consultation.

Refer to the interim guidance on clinical management of patients with moderate to severe COVID-19.

Health Canada is closely tracking all potential drugs and vaccines in development in Canada and abroad. We are working with companies, academic research centres and investigators to help expedite the development and availability of treatments to prevent and treat COVID-19.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

6 Wisconsin Badger football players test positive. Here we go, let’s see how this is handled.

https://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...Ylfpjf5VTRaDLM