***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

No non-essential travel to Mexico, they're starting to finally crack down on it..


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/us/ar...der/index.html


...oh, but if you have reservations at Rocky Point, fine..

https://tucson.com/news/arizona_news...0a274f4dd.html

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Hey, so, I got #Covid19 in March. I’ve been sick for over 3 months w/ severe respiratory, cardiovascular & neurological symptoms. I still have a fever. I’ve been incapacitated for nearly a season of my life. It's not enough to not die. You don’t want to live thru this, either. 1/

— Dani Oliver (@DaniOliver) July 3, 2020

This is the kind of stuff I'm worried about. If you told me it was just a 1 in 200 chance of death, but otherwise you'll recover 100% - somehow that wouldn't bother me as much.

Saw someone on FB saying they've had a similar experience... caught it in February, still dealing with respiratory issues and will feel exhausted at times. ~40yo and afaik know no known underlying conditions.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am sure there are people out there in similar situations as her but I think we all need to understand the percentage of those in her situation. Until that post I have not heard of anyone having Covid for that long.

/r/COVID19positive/. There is a lot of people having long term issues

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

What's the percentage on those that are in that bad if shape though. Fear mongering sack of shit media

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6924e2.htm

Overall, 184,673 (14%) patients were hospitalized, 29,837 (2%) were admitted to an intensive care unit (ICU), and 71,116 (5%) died.

Anyone going into the ICU is going to have some lingering problems for an indeterminate amount of time. You don't just bounce back from that.

But there are also people who had mild symptoms who are having problems.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#586599265979

However, the rapid recovery has not been the experience of thousands - perhaps tens of thousands - of patients worldwide who’ve been classified as mild cases. Many struggle for months with lingering Covid-19 symptoms that can be debilitating. They exhibit shortness of breath, extreme fatigue, intermittent fevers, cough, concentration issues, chest pressure, headaches, and heart palpitations, among other symptoms. The literature has a name for them: “long-haulers.”

In the Netherlands, the Lung Foundation, together with the University of Maastricht and the CIRO group,* surveyed 1,622 Covid-19 patients who had reported a number of long-term effects from their illness. Ninety-one percent of the patients were not hospitalized, which indicates that the vast majority of the surveyed patients would fall under the category “mildly symptomatic.” The average age of the patients surveyed was 53.

Obviously it's really early to guess at the % of people with long term-damage. But it certainly sounds like something to be concerned about.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2337012-longf...erstelden.html

Many corona patients still have serious health problems months after their healing. This is evident from a survey conducted by the Long Fund and the CIRO knowledge center among 1622 people with such complaints. More than 90 percent of the respondents say they have problems with simple daily activities.

91 percent of those questioned were not hospitalized and 43 percent were not diagnosed by a doctor. The average age of the respondents is 53 years. 85 percent say he or she was in good health before the infection. Now that is only 6 percent. Almost half say they can no longer exercise and more than 60 percent have trouble walking.

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/2125189...fects-symptoms

The UK National Health Service assumes that of Covid-19 patients who have required hospitalization, 45 percent will need ongoing medical care, 4 percent will require inpatient rehabilitation, and 1 percent will permanently require acute care. Other preliminary evidence, as well as historical research on other coronaviruses like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), suggests that for some people, a full recovery might still be years off. For others, there may be no returning to normal.

One study from China found that this ground-glass appearance showed up in scans of 77 percent of Covid-19 patients. In another study out of China, published in Radiology, 66 of 70 hospitalized patients had some amount of lung damage in CT scans, and more than half had the kind of lesions that are likely to develop into scars. (A third study from China suggests this is not just for critically ill patients; its authors found that of 58 asymptomatic patients, 95 percent also had evidence of these ground-glass opacities in their lungs. More than a quarter of these individuals went on to develop symptoms within a few days.)

Blood clots that form in or reach the brain can cause a stroke. Although strokes are more typically seen in older people, strokes are now being reported even in young Covid-19 patients. In Wuhan, China, about 5 percent of hospitalized Covid-19 patients had strokes, and a similar pattern was reported with SARS.

In younger people who have strokes, mortality rates are relatively low compared to those who are older, and many people recover. But studies show only between 42 and 53 percent are able to return to work.

Blood clots can also cut off circulation to part of the lungs, a condition known as a pulmonary embolism, which can be deadly. In France, two studies suggest that between 23 and 30 percent of people with severe Covid-19 are also having pulmonary embolisms.

One study from Wuhan in January found 12 percent of Covid-19 patients had signs of cardiovascular damage. These patients had higher levels of troponin, a protein released in the blood by an injured heart muscle. Since then, other reports suggest the virus may directly cause acute myocarditis and heart failure. (Heart failure was also seen with MERS and is known to be correlated with even the seasonal flu.)

In March, another study looked at 416 hospitalized Covid-19 patients and found 19 percent showed signs of heart damage. University of Texas Health Science Center researchers warn that in survivors, Covid-19 may cause lingering cardiac damage, as well as making existing cardiovascular problems worse, further increasing the risk for heart attack and stroke.

Covid-19 also seems to affect the central nervous system, with potentially long-lasting consequences. In one study from China, more than a third of 214 people hospitalized with confirmed Covid-19 had neurological symptoms, including dizziness, headaches, impaired consciousness, vision, taste/smell impairment, and nerve pain while they were ill. These symptoms were more common in patients with severe cases, where the incidence increased to 46.5 percent. Another study in France found neurologic features in 58 of 64 critically ill Covid-19 patients.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

/r/COVID19positive/. There is a lot of people having long term issues

How many is "a lot of people", out of the millions who have had it?

[lewdog]

It’s likely not that many but it’s too variable to determine why at this point. That’s the scary part. And it’s too early to know long term consequences.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

How many is "a lot of people", out of the millions who have had it?

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/lo...fects-covid-19

A research group at King’s College London, UK, developed a COVID-19 tracker app for people to record their symptoms daily, and estimated 200,000 have been reporting symptoms for the entire six weeks since the tracker was launched.

Many people had a pattern of symptoms, where their symptoms were heightened initially, nearly disappeared, then returned again with ferocity, along with a very wide range of symptoms.

Whatever the numbers are for people with real long term problems, it doesn't seem to be vanishingly small. It also doesn't seem to be as skewed to older or at/risk people as dying is.

I go hiking up a mountain like every other weekend. If I can't do that anymore and have any of the problems some of these people are describing, I know I'd go into a very black place where I'd probably just wish I was dead. That's the equation going on in my head anyway when I think about going back to my gym (which is completely packed, no masks). I went once at 5am and was still nervous about it. I just spent $1500 on weights and a bench/rack instead.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

What's the percentage on those that are in that bad if shape though. Fear mongering sack of shit media

Yea, **** the media. I can't believe the POS media is getting by with letting this person post to their twitter acct.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

What's the percentage on those that are in that bad if shape though. Fear mongering sack of shit media

This is someone posting to their own personal twitter account. What the heck is wrong with you?

This is exactly what I mean. The media is underplaying this hard. There are a lot of people out there having complications, but everyone is so focused on deaths.

If they really wanted to try and scare the crap out of people, they'd be doing stories about all the people with neurological problems, stuck on kidney dialysis now, how many people who get this have hypoxia, etc. And there's not much rhyme or reason to it. Look at Rudy Gobert, he had it 3 months ago and he still can't smell.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by tk13

This is someone posting to their own personal twitter account. What the heck is wrong with you?

This is exactly what I mean. The media is underplaying this hard. There are a lot of people out there having complications, but everyone is so focused on deaths.

If they really wanted to try and scare the crap out of people, they'd be doing stories about all the people with neurological problems, stuck on kidney dialysis now, how many people who get this have hypoxia, etc. And there's not much rhyme or reason to it. Look at Rudy Gobert, he had it 3 months ago and he still can't smell.

Quiet down, media

[loochy]

Originally Posted by tk13

Look at Rudy Gobert, he had it 3 months ago and he still can't smell.

That's because of having to constantly smell his stinky ass French armpits, not because of corona.

[F150]

So, someone said Joplin is the epicenter of Corvid now. Whats up with that?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

How many is "a lot of people", out of the millions who have had it?

As long as we can quantify in millions, it'll make us all feel better.

[dirk digler]

For a slow reporting holiday weekend...ugh Florida reporting 11,458 cases. Only 113 shy of NY's record.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by F150

So, someone said Joplin is the epicenter of Corvid now. Whats up with that?

Who's someone?