Chiefs Do we want DeHop? - Page 256

ROYC75 · 03-01-2023, 01:21 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...9536dcd3&ei=21

Story by Andrew Gould

The Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl without a star wide receiver, but they could reportedly make an elite offense even scarier by acquiring DeAndre Hopkins.

NFL insider Benjamin Albright told PHNX Cardinals that Kansas City is the "primary suitor" for Hopkins. He doesn't know the draft compensation the Cardinals would receive, but he said it's more likely they get a second-round pick than a first.

After the 2022 season, theScore's Jordan Schultz reported that the Cardinals plan to trade Hopkins this offseason.

Arizona hired a new general manager and head coach after a disappointing four-win season, and Hopkins is set to make $19.45 million (with a $30.75 million cap hit) in 2023. The Cardinals could seek a clean slate by moving the three-time All-Pro wideout, who turns 31 in June.

Hopkins began his Cardinals career by tallying 1,407 yards and six touchdowns in 2020. However, multiple lower body injuries limited him to 10 games in 2021, and he served a six-game suspension to start the 2022 season for violating the NFL's PED policy.

Yet he remains an impact player when on the field. Hopkins totaled 474 receiving yards in six full games with quarterback Kyler Murray last season.

Now imagine what he can accomplish when catching passes from Patrick Mahomes.

The Chiefs flourished without a star replacement for Tyreek Hill, but they could still benefit by solidifying the position this offseason. JuJu Smith-Schuster is a free agent after garnering 78 catches for 933 yards on a one-year deal. The depth chart features several talented question marks in Mecole Hardman, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdes-Scantling.

Adding Hopkins could be great news for Kansas City, but terrible for all opposing defenses.
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Do we want a high priced prima donna?

staylor26 · 05-22-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

As some have said, do we really want Kelce having such a huge usage and get his 34 year old brains mashed in? Id like to give him some breathers against in easier games and a real #1 WR will do that. Mahomes arguably has never not had a #1 WR before. Tyreek and then Juju. Now.....MVS? Its a stretch to assume the offense will be AS dominant as it always has.

JuJu isn't a #1 WR either dumbass.

Megatron96 · 05-22-2023, 12:05 PM

JuJu was a middling WR2, ranked somewhere between 43rd-50something of starting WRs. Pretty much always his wheelhouse. About midway through the 2022 season he may have fallen out of that tier (44th-55th) if his production was true indicator of his performance.

BWillie · 05-22-2023, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

JuJu isn't a #1 WR either dumbass.

Thats why I said arguably but he is close to one. MVS isnt even in the same stratosphere as a #1.

**penguinz** · 05-22-2023, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Thats why I said arguably but he is close to one. MVS isnt even in the same stratosphere as a #1.

Adding arguably doesn't make it any less false. JuJu isn't even arguably a #1. He is a solid #2 and nothing more.

staylor26 · 05-22-2023, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Thats why I said arguably but he is close to one. MVS isnt even in the same stratosphere as a #1.

You're still wrong.

No reason that Toney, Skyy, Rice, and even James can't replace the production we lost with him and Hardman.

Our WR group will be better this year.

arrowheadnation · 05-22-2023, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

JuJu was is not a #1. He is a quality #2. KC had no true #1 last season. Closest would be Kelce.

It can pretty easily/fairly be said that Mahomes has never had a typical NFL #1 WR. Tyreek is a unicorn. He doesn't fit the build nor does his game fit that of a #1. He isn't the type of WR that can just take over a game with size/jumping/catching ability. He does it with speed and he really shines when he can play opposite of a #1 WR to draw away some of the defensive pressure. Kelce played that role for us and Waddle is doing it in Miami. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he is not a prototypical #1. I'd just really like to see what Mahomes could do with a true dominant #1 WR.

Toad · 05-22-2023, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

…No reason that Toney, Skyy, Rice, and even James can't replace the production we lost with him and Hardman.

Our WR group will be better this year.

Their biggest hurdle will be developing the trust of Mahomes

BWillie · 05-22-2023, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You're still wrong.

No reason that Toney, Skyy, Rice, and even James can't replace the production we lost with him and Hardman.

Our WR group will be better this year.

Knowing that as a certainty is a big leap. Its not outside the realm of possibilities but I dont want maybe or even probably better. The next two seasons are that important to Mahomes legacy. I want certainty

chiefs1111 · 05-22-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

He lists them as 1-5, PM being 3, but I think he was just naming 5 qbs. Obviously PM would be #1.

DeAndre Hopkins was asked on @IAMATHLETEpod which QBs he'd love to have throwing him the ball. #Bills QB Josh Allen was quickly his first answer.

Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert rounded out his top-5.pic.twitter.com/gtepzf9JD4
— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) May 22, 2023

lol at Bills fans losing their minds again thinking that means hes going to end up there

staylor26 · 05-22-2023, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Knowing that as a certainty is a big leap. Its not outside the realm of possibilities but I dont want maybe or even probably better. The next two seasons are that important to Mahomes legacy. I want certainty

You know what was a big leap? Assuming this offense wouldn't miss a beat without Tyreek.

Yet...

But sure, now it might fall apart without JuJu

Mecca · 05-22-2023, 01:00 PM

The Bills already had their all in year lol...at this point Arizona may just keep him.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-22-2023, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

It can pretty easily/fairly be said that Mahomes has never had a typical NFL #1 WR. Tyreek is a unicorn. He doesn't fit the build nor does his game fit that of a #1. He isn't the type of WR that can just take over a game with size/jumping/catching ability. He does it with speed and he really shines when he can play opposite of a #1 WR to draw away some of the defensive pressure. Kelce played that role for us and Waddle is doing it in Miami. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but he is not a prototypical #1. I'd just really like to see what Mahomes could do with a true dominant #1 WR.

Yeah, this is the key point. Our offense will be more than fine. Mahomes and Reid will make it work. They did that and then some last year. it's not panicking that we'll suck. I don't think people appreciate how high this offenses ceiling is if we did have talent at WR. In fact I think a huge problem in 2020 was Sammy Watkins was way more valuable than we realized. You put even a middling (but true) WR1 with the quality depth we have in our new WR room and I don't think anyone will ever assume again that our ceiling is an efficient catch and run offense.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-22-2023, 01:10 PM

And yeah, I assume burrow and Josh Allen when theyre hot they're going to cook even if our defense is top tier. I don't want to rely on the defense to win these games. I want the best version of our offense being realistic that we are obviously not going to have pro bowlers everywhere. And using WR2s as WR1 despite our successes is not that.

O.city · 05-22-2023, 01:25 PM

The 2022 offense was better than the 20 offense by most every metric.

The Chiefs front office has prioritized the OL over weapons with the money spend and the weapons over the OL in the draft.

They're not gonna go overpay for an older WR on his last legs unless he comes cheap.

Mecca · 05-22-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The 2022 offense was better than the 20 offense by most every metric.

The Chiefs front office has prioritized the OL over weapons with the money spend and the weapons over the OL in the draft.

They're not gonna go overpay for an older WR on his last legs unless he comes cheap.

We're not as explosive as we once were, it'd be nice to have both elements on offense but hey that's how life goes sometimes.

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