***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Amazing

Literally, 65% of the reported covid by CDC this week occurred more than four weeks ago.

Deaths continue a downward trend, while it appears on worldometers & counters that there was an increase this week.

Note: There’s 50k backlogged unexpected deaths to report. https://t.co/MkcZ5TqpTd pic.twitter.com/dgJ9Vs4dUZ

— Louie [BTC] (@LouPalumbo) July 11, 2020

[suzzer99]

That dude still continuing to spew gibberish?

[Monticore]

The longer time goes I feel better about my decision not to have joined or followed anything on twitter or Facebook or any other social media.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

That dude still continuing to spew gibberish?

It's difficult to distinguish gibberish from truth.

[suzzer99]

Smarter people than me have looked it his stuff and said it's gibberish. Also if you go back to his earlier posts he was basically saying it was a hoax (although he'd probably have some gibberish as to why that wasn't what he was saying).

He's an anti-vaxxer too, if you read some of the other stuff on his site.

[suzzer99]

Florida County Commissioner Who Voted Against Masks In Hospital With COVID

Paul Waldron—the commissioner for St. Johns County just south of Jacksonville, Florida—has tested positive for COVID-19 and is currently in the hospital in critical condition. Last week, Waldron voted against a countywide order requiring all residents to wear face masks as a way to prevent coronavirus infections.

[lewdog]

We've got 2 more therapists out who are positive for COVID. Day 6 and day 9. The PTA on day 9 is doing very poor. I got him a pulse oximeter today and he's registering 80%. He sounds terrible and says he feels very SOB. I had him contact the urgent care that did his test and ask for medical advice. The hospitals are filling up here so many times they are asking you to stay at home until absolutely necessary. He's mid 50's and is in good health. He hits the gym 4x per week, eats healthy and isn't over-weight. I am very concerned with how he was doing today.

The other has a mild-mod case. Says she felt more SOB today but oxygen SATS running 92-95%. She's also mid 50's and has some variable health issues.

Both have nausea/vomiting which are making it hard for them to eat and stay hydrated.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by lewdog

We've got 2 more therapists out who are positive for COVID. Day 6 and day 9. The PTA on day 9 is doing very poor. I got him a pulse oximeter today and he's registering 80%. He sounds terrible and says he feels very SOB. I had him contact the urgent care that did his test and ask for medical advice. The hospitals are filling up here so many times they are asking you to stay at home until absolutely necessary. He's mid 50's and is in good health. He hits the gym 4x per week, eats healthy and isn't over-weight. I am very concerned with how he was doing today.

The other has a mild-mod case. Says she felt more SOB today but oxygen SATS running 92-95%. She's also mid 50's and has some variable health issues.

Both have nausea/vomiting which are making it hard for them to eat and stay hydrated.

Brutal....on the other hand my buddys father in law is 90 and a COPDer on home O2.....had covid, in hospital for a week and now back at home splitting firewood yesterday. Tough SOB

[Fat Elvis]

This explains a lot: https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/covi...wx7hRm4yYI6h48

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Donger

Getting the R0 below 1 means the virus isn't spreading beyond the infected person and infections therefore dry up.

An example of R2, and why it's not a good thing:

Originally Posted by TLO

I ask because areas in Missouri are currently around 0.59 R0. Yet we're still seeing cases each day. They haven't spiked dramatically, but they're still there.

You have to understand that you are dealing with populations, not individuals when you are looking at R(0) values. Lets take a population of 100 (for simplicity's sake) that are infected with COVID19. An R(0) value of .59 doesn't mean that no one is transmitting the disease. On the contrary, with that value, given a population of 100 infected, you would assume that another 59 people will become infected from those original 100. Those 59 would then infect another ~35 people, those 35 would infect another 20 people, those 20 infect 12, the 12 infect 7, that 7 infect 4 which in turn infects 2 and then 1. The spread doesn't end abruptly when the R(0) value in under 1; rather, it just kind of peters out. That said, the original 100 just infected another 140 people after 8 iterations.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

This explains a lot: https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/covi...wx7hRm4yYI6h48

I’m amazed at the number of people getting in my space at work. I still try not to walk up on people, but it seems pointless given the hundreds that don’t reciprocate.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Brutal....on the other hand my buddys father in law is 90 and a COPDer on home O2.....had covid, in hospital for a week and now back at home splitting firewood yesterday. Tough SOB

It’s so variable, it truly is amazing.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

You have to understand that you are dealing with populations, not individuals when you are looking at R(0) values. Lets take a population of 100 (for simplicity's sake) that are infected with COVID19. An R(0) value of .59 doesn't mean that no one is transmitting the disease. On the contrary, with that value, given a population of 100 infected, you would assume that another 59 people will become infected from those original 100. Those 59 would then infect another ~35 people, those 35 would infect another 20 people, those 20 infect 12, the 12 infect 7, that 7 infect 4 which in turn infects 2 and then 1. The spread doesn't end abruptly when the R(0) value in under 1; rather, it just kind of peters out. That said, the original 100 just infected another 140 people after 8 iterations.

Thank you for the explanation. That was very helpful.

[Kiimo]

Trump wore a mask to the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, after months of refusing to don the expert-recommended face coverings meant to help slow the spread of the coronavirus. "I love masks in the appropriate locations," Trump said. https://t.co/dsrJWHTiXh

— NPR (@NPR) July 11, 2020

No comment.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by TLO

Amazing

Literally, 65% of the reported covid by CDC this week occurred more than four weeks ago.

Deaths continue a downward trend, while it appears on worldometers & counters that there was an increase this week.

Note: There’s 50k backlogged unexpected deaths to report. https://t.co/MkcZ5TqpTd pic.twitter.com/dgJ9Vs4dUZ

— Louie [BTC] (@LouPalumbo) July 11, 2020

Not this quack shit again. He's making claims about backlogged deaths, but isnt showing where he gets that info from. If this nut job wants people to take him seriously, then it's probably a good idea to show some type of source to his claims or hell a better idea would be to explain in layman's terms wtf he is talking about. You cant just make up words and expect people to take your shit serious. It seems the only people that believe this bullshit are the ones that are actively trying to prove themselves right.

You can't really say,

"Look at the deaths! They're all back logged and actually occurred a month ago."

and then offer no evidence or any type of source. Its the same shit hes been doing and people are still giving him attention for some reason.