Chiefs Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. - Page 258

**Mav** · 09-16-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

They do need to get JC more carries, but they need to exploit the Eagles' weakness, too... which could go hand in hand.

Look, congrats on the post. I understand that Alex Smith has to show a whole lot more for the Chiefs to win more than just regular season games.

Im hoping he can provide that for you guys.

He is averaging over 30 passes per game. 35 to be exact. I never thought that would be possible with him.

splatbass · 09-16-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If Alex Smith elevates his play and shows he CAN beat an elite team in the playoffs (and no, the 2011 New Orleans Saints do not count),

Why the hell not? They don't count because it hurts your agenda?

When you have to qualify things that much to get your point to work you don't really have much of a point. Alex Smith has proven he can win in the playoffs. He has proven he can take his team from behind (repeatedly) in big games.

**Bearcat** · 09-16-2013, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And I have said several times (and I think some people are glossing over because I'm not going into full-on homer mode regarding who Alex Smith has been and can be), I really do hope he elevates his game and proves he can win games like that in a Chiefs uniform.

I AM a Chiefs fan. I HOPE he succeeds because that's what is good for my team. I HOPE Andy Reid is right about Smith.

I came into the year saying he'll have to show he can do what Reid thinks he can do before I'll buy all the way in. I'm not going to apologize for sticking to my guns on that and not going Chiefs red herpaderp after beating a terrible team and a mediocre team with very tepid performances at QB from Smith.

Just because he doesn't suck doesn't mean Chiefs fans have to act like he's a true star QB.

Yeah, that gets lost in the black and white world where you're either stoked about being 2-0 or you're just a hater.... ever since the draft, I've said maybe this time there's a big plan, whether Smith really is better than his stats indicate or he's just here to get back to respectability while they find their guy, or whatever.... but, after so many times of saying "maybe this time...", I'm not going all in after two games.

And if he does throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs Thursday night, I still won't be all in.... and if he throws for 90 yards and 3 INTs, I won't be all out. There are far too many variables involved to get too high or too low over one freakin' game, or even a handful of games. Saying "but he beat the Saints that one time!" doesn't simply erase everything else. Sure, it's a positive, and the more times he beats the big boys, the further he'll go towards becoming an elite QB, and the happier I'll be.

duncan_idaho · 09-16-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Why the hell not? They don't count because it hurts your agenda?

When you have to qualify things that much to get your point to work you don't really have much of a point. Alex Smith has proven he can win in the playoffs. He has proven he can take his team from behind (repeatedly) in big games.

It's not about agenda. It's about desire to see more before committing to the guy long term with a lucrative contract.

Since when is doing something once (even if I agree the 2011 Saints were 'elite') proving you can do it?

**Ragged Robin** · 09-16-2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

As for the playoff game... Alex Smith didn't do anything to that Saints D that wasn't done to it all season. In fact, his performance against them was almost exactly the AVERAGE performance by a QB in 2011 against them.

Just not that impressed by it. Sure, it was dramatic and he made some clutch plays (including some higher-degree-of-difficulty throws I wish he would make ALL the time, not just when he has no other choice). But in the end, it was a very median effort against a bad defense.

He put up 4 TDs and two of them being lead changes in crunch time--like I said, a feat no other QB in NFL history has done. That's not quite "average." He played well enough to win against that ferocious Giants front the next week--in 3 point game the Giants had 10 points directly from both special teams turnovers. Oh and that was WITHOUT 3 of his top 4 wide outs from the start of the season.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The guy has been so far this year about what he has been the past two years: Somewhere between the 15th and 20th-best QB in the NFL. Not a star QB, but not a guy who hurts you.

I find it hard to believe that there's 15-20 better quarterbacks in the league right now. Please don't list Bradford, Newton, Tannehill, or Palmer in there either. Oh and by the way, the last time he played Philly (against Andy Reid and Vick @ Philly) was in 2011 where they were down 23-3 and won.

I'm also not sure about this obsession with discrediting anything he does. At what point is it because of him? Every comeback in the history of the league is made by a team effort--defenses giving the offense another chance, an ST turnover, good field position, etc. It's more ridiculous that tards bring this down to the play level too--oh well the corner played the ball late, the DE tripped before hitting him, the safety fell down, etc. EVERY SINGLE PLAY is made at the expense of someone else messing up but apparently anything positive done by players named Alex Smith is done in spite of him instead of because of him right? He owns the 49er franchise record for most game winning 4th quarter drives in a single season (2011) -- oh well he had a good defense and run game. LOL ridiculous.

ChiefsCountry · 09-16-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

I find it hard to believe that there's 15-20 better quarterbacks in the league right now. Please don't list Bradford, Newton, Tannehill, or Palmer in there either. Oh and by the way, the last time he played Philly (against Andy Reid and Vick @ Philly) was in 2011 where they were down 23-3 and won.

Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco
Eli
Luck
Wilson
Kap
Big Ben
Rivers
Schaub
RGIII
Stafford

Vick, Cutler, Romo, and Smith are all about the same then.

duncan_idaho · 09-16-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco
Eli
Luck
Wilson
Kap
Big Ben
Rivers
Schaub
RGIII
Stafford

Vick, Cutler, Romo, and Smith are all about the same then.

Beat me to it.

13th-20th best is probably more fair. I'm not going to Mike Mayock the table for Schaub or Rivers over Alex Smith.

splatbass · 09-16-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Since when is doing something once (even if I agree the 2011 Saints were 'elite') proving you can do it?

By definition doing something once proves you can do it. Logic isn't your strong suit, huh?

**Mav** · 09-16-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Brady
Peyton
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco
Eli
Luck
Wilson
Kap
Big Ben
Rivers
RGIII
Smith

.

I wouldn't take Schaub, or Stafford. But the rest of the list is legit.

So about 13th......

Jakemall · 09-16-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Against teams that would fall into the category of that kind of competition? I dunno, look it up.

Are you suggesting that the SOS of those games were easier than compared to other QBs? It would be really amusing if you were.

ChiefsCountry · 09-16-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Beat me to it.

13th-20th best is probably more fair. I'm not going to Mike Mayock the table for Schaub or Rivers over Alex Smith.

Rivers would be a monster with Andy Reid, Charles and Bowe.

duncan_idaho · 09-16-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

By definition doing something once proves you can do it. Logic isn't your strong suit, huh?

... on a consistent basis.

Chris Getz hit a HR ONCE this season... does that mean he's a consistent HR threat?

Jason Elam kicked a 63-yard field goal ONCE... does that mean he could consistently hit from that distance?

Pete Stoyanovich hit that 54-yard FG against the Broncos in 97... did that mean he could consistently hit from that distance that year?

Hell, I hit a 385 foot HR to RCF when I was 17... ONCE. Didn't mean I consistently could flash that type of power.

duncan_idaho · 09-16-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Rivers would be a monster with Andy Reid, Charles and Bowe.

I really just wanted to say "Mike Mayock the table." ...

**Rausch** · 09-16-2013, 09:46 PM

I think Alex is everything you want in a Dilfer-ed QB.

He does not turn the ball over (I'd be shocked if he tops 7-8 INT's for the year,) he doesn't make stupid decisions, and he's good in the locker room.

With a solid D, special teams, and offensive playmakers he could make a playoff run.

I don't think he could win a shoot out in the playoffs. It's completely against his grain.

I think he'd be even better if we used more play action (which he's very good at) and ran the ball more to play to his strengths...

ChiefsCountry · 09-16-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I think Alex is everything you want in a Dilfer-ed QB.

He does not turn the ball over (I'd be shocked if he tops 7-8 INT's for the year,) he doesn't make stupid decisions, and he's good in the locker room.

With a solid D, special teams, and offensive playmakers he could make a playoff run.

I don't think he could win a shoot out in the playoffs. It's completely against his grain.

I think he'd be even better if we used more play action (which he's very good at) and ran the ball more to play to his strengths...

He is Marty's wet dream at QB.

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