***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Highly doubt it will happen.

Businesses for sure, schools I don't know.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Waivers already being required

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/mis...lO1fdK-mIZdW3M

Lol waivers. Shown not to hold much credibility in healthcare all these decades, I don’t see that changing with COVID either.

You sign waivers when receiving healthcare all the time and guess what, you can still sue them as most waivers won’t hold up when gross negligence has been shown.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

To be honest there is likely going to be a need for blanket immunity from covid law suits. Just too much opportunity for blame, lawyers would be suing people for the next 50 years.

The truth is the scientific community has not been straightforward since day one, there is more evidence this bug came from a lab than there is otherwise.

For the millionth time this is a novel virus and the scientific community is learning as it progresses.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

there is more evidence this bug came from a lab than there is otherwise.

Present it.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Lol waivers. Shown not to hold much credibility in healthcare all these decades, I don’t see that changing with COVID either.

You sign waivers when receiving healthcare all the time and guess what, you can still sue them as most waivers won’t hold up when gross negligence has been shown.

Just another reason to have a fed law in place by August.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

"(I)nfection depends as well on the route of exposure, the size of inoculum, the duration of exposure, and host defenses"

YES this! Airborne transmission is more complicated than just particles or viral RNA detection. I appreciated this balanced review.https://t.co/tBARLN37c9

— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) July 14, 2020

Really good article breakdown about spread.

Originally Posted by O.city

Aerosols not being a big proponent of this would be huge. It never made sense to me that they were the primary driver, as they compared in this article to Measles.

Measles R0 is like 18 due to that.

This is potentially very good news.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Just another reason to have a fed law in place by August.

This, much like the overwhelming majority of your posts in this thread, is dumb as ****.

The Federal government cannot require children to attend school, as those laws are mandated by each state.

But, even if they tried to force kids back into schools, there's no freaking way that the Federal government could even pass legislation stating that all children must return to their schools and guess what? You can't sue the feds if any students, teachers and employees that contract COVID-19 are hospitalized or end up dead.

That's just stupid beyond belief.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This, much like the overwhelming majority of your posts in this thread, is dumb as ****.

The Federal government cannot require children to attend school, as those laws are mandated by each state.

But, even if they tried to force kids back into schools, there's no freaking way that the Federal government could even pass legislation stating that all children must return to their schools and guess what? You can't sue the feds if any students, teachers and employees that contract COVID-19 are hospitalized or end up dead.

That's just stupid beyond belief.

This is why people get mad at you.

[petegz28]

I wish all counties could get something at least close to this. I know a lot of the counties report this but I like this nice, neat dashboard

[petegz28]

Looks like AZ might be starting to roll over. Hope so.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Looks like AZ might be starting to roll over. Hope so.

Can't timely and reliable data.

We're reporting 4,273 cases of #COVID19 for Tuesday. Please note: a partner did not report labs in time to be included in the Monday update, so their numbers are reflected in today's update. Also, 23 of the 92 deaths being reported today are due to death cert. matching. #MaskUpAZ pic.twitter.com/rCGkiRqOFT

— AZ Dept of Health (@AZDHS) July 14, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Can't timely and reliable data.

We're reporting 4,273 cases of #COVID19 for Tuesday. Please note: a partner did not report labs in time to be included in the Monday update, so their numbers are reflected in today's update. Also, 23 of the 92 deaths being reported today are due to death cert. matching. #MaskUpAZ pic.twitter.com/rCGkiRqOFT

— AZ Dept of Health (@AZDHS) July 14, 2020

I'm looking at the hospitalizations and bed usage. They are starting to roll over.

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by eDave

This is why people get mad at you.

I live me some Dane, I hope he stays the same

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This, much like the overwhelming majority of your posts in this thread, is dumb as ****.

The Federal government cannot require children to attend school, as those laws are mandated by each state.

But, even if they tried to force kids back into schools, there's no freaking way that the Federal government could even pass legislation stating that all children must return to their schools and guess what? You can't sue the feds if any students, teachers and employees that contract COVID-19 are hospitalized or end up dead.

That's just stupid beyond belief.

You notice how that particular group swaps between DA FEDS SHOULD DO A THING and BAWW STATE RITES when it suits their agenda? Well, the ****ing moron agenda to be exact.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This, much like the overwhelming majority of your posts in this thread, is dumb as ****.

The Federal government cannot require children to attend school, as those laws are mandated by each state.

But, even if they tried to force kids back into schools, there's no freaking way that the Federal government could even pass legislation stating that all children must return to their schools and guess what? You can't sue the feds if any students, teachers and employees that contract COVID-19 are hospitalized or end up dead.

That's just stupid beyond belief.

It appears it will have to be a state issue from what I'm hearing. Teachers and districts need legal protection.