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Old 09-12-2011, 07:17 AM  
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Well since GoPlagerism is touting my post in is signature, I figured I would start a countdown thread to see how we stack up on the touches..


So I predicted somewhere between 125-140* touches this year, with a high as 175 (which might be too high).


Week 1
Rushing 4 for 42
Receiving 5 for 25

Week 2
Rushing 8 for 51
Receiving 4 for -2

Week 3
Rushing 9 for 45
Receiving 5 for 17

Week 4
Rushing 7 for 26
Receiving 3 for 12

Week 5
Rushing 4 for 8
Receiving 1 for 10

Week 6
BYE

Week 7
Rushing 10 for 38
Receiving 1 for -3

Week 8
Rushing 6 for 0
Receiving 3 for 28

Week 9
Rushing 7 for 36
Receiving 1 for 8

Week 10
Rushing 8 for 45
Receiving 6 for 48

Week 11
Rushing 8 for 39
Receiving 2 for 9

Week 12
Rushing 9 for 28
Receiving 2 for 11

Week 13
Rushing 9 for 61
Receiving 4 for 46 / 1 TD

Week 14
Rushing 4 for 1
Receiving 0 for 0

Week 15
Rushing 5 for 14
Receiving 2 for 11

Week 16
Rushing 3 for 15
Receiving 5 for 89

Week 17
Rushing 12 for 61 1 TD
Receiving 3 for 25
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:22 PM   #376
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technically, yes they are. There is NO QUESTION on this fact. It may not be what most people assume to be the case, but the rules on this are clear.

Now, in the case of the bet, you have to decide #1)what the intent of the bet was AND #2)if you think GoChiefs wouldn't argue the exact same point if he were on the other side of the bet.

#1 is a toss up in my mind... kickoff returns have always been offensive touches in my mind, and that is also the official rule... but I can definitely see how others would disagree. So this one to me is a wash.

#2 there is NO QUESTION in my mind that GoChiefs wouldn't jump on something like this himself... so this seems like a perfect opportunity to show him what it feels like.
To me, it makes no sense to make a bet on touches and clarify it with "offensive touches" if you are going to include every single touch he has on offense and ST. If you just say "touches" then there is no question that every time he touches the ball its counts towards the bet.
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:43 PM   #377
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To me, it makes no sense to make a bet on touches and clarify it with "offensive touches" if you are going to include every single touch he has on offense and ST. If you just say "touches" then there is no question that every time he touches the ball its counts towards the bet.
ok, here is the problem.. the rules don't put an emphasis on special teams like you do... that is why a punt return is defense and a kickoff return is offense.

People need to get the idea that "special teams" is anything more than a convenient term out of their heads.. it isn't even mentioned in the 2011 rules (the pdf on nfl.com) except in one spot regarding helmet radios.

The reason to say "offensive touches" is to differentiate between kickoff returns and punt returns and also as a "gotcha" to GoChiefs later in case it was needed... that is how I am interpreting it at least.

Either way... let's agree to disagree on point #1.. the SALIENT point for me is #2) Do you honestly think GoChiefs wouldn't harp on the "official rule" if he were on the other side of the bet? I think he would, therefore THAT is what should be counted. If it were someone who clearly wouldn't try to weasel any type of win, but instead had an ounce of integrity.. then I wouldn't really have an opinion either way.
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Old 12-23-2011, 07:45 PM   #378
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The reason to say "offensive touches" is to differentiate between kickoff returns and punt returns



The reason to say offensive offensive touches is to distinguish between touches that come when the Chiefs are playing offense and McCluster has to run a route or run the ball, not just catch a freaking ball out of the air.

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Old 12-23-2011, 07:49 PM   #379
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The reason to say offensive offensive touches is to distinguish between touches that come when the Chiefs are playing offense and McCluster has to run a route or run the ball, not just catch a freaking ball out of the air.
How about this. Not here it isn't. HERE it means what the rulebook says... offensive touches include kickoff returns. Suck that.
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How about this. Not here it isn't. HERE it means what the rulebook says... offensive touches include kickoff returns. Suck that.
Sorry, the spirit of the bet is clearly defined.

Suck me.
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FYI, not that I really care, but the rulebook does NOT state that offensive touches include kickoff returns.

A kickoff is not a scrimmage kick. That's a punt...or a field goal....an actual play from scrimmage.

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What down is a kickoff, guys? First down?

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FYI, not that I really care, but the rulebook does NOT state that offensive touches include kickoff returns.

A kickoff is not a scrimmage kick. That's a punt...or a field goal....an actual play from scrimmage.



What down is a kickoff, guys? First down?

The rulebook actually helps my cause.
Once again you prove that words are not your friend.
Kickoffs are FREE KICKS.

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becomes the defense if and when B secures possession during the down, and vice versa for each change
of possession.
Article 3A change of possession occurs when a player of the defensive team secures possession of a ball
that has been kicked, passed, or fumbled by a player of the offensive team, or when the ball is awarded to
the opposing team by rule. A change of possession includes but is not limited to:
(a) an interception of a forward pass; or
(b) a catch or recovery of a fumble or backward pass; or
(c) a catch or recovery of a Scrimmage Kick, Free Kick, or Fair Catch Kick.
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8 touches for DMC today.

He needs 15 in the season finale for BossChief to win.

Kudos to the little bastard for making a huge play for the first time this year.
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Wasn't the reason you thought he wouldn't get that many touches based on the fact that you didn't think he could stand up to the punishment? If that's the case, it doesn't matter how he got his hands on the ball. He can clearly take the hits.

(Not talking about the bet, just your assessment of him.)
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Wasn't the reason you thought he wouldn't get that many touches based on the fact that you didn't think he could stand up to the punishment? If that's the case, it doesn't matter how he got his hands on the ball. He can clearly take the hits.

(Not talking about the bet, just your assessment of him.)
I was impressed with McCluster today, but only because there were flashes of how he SHOULD be used. He needs to get in the screen game and needs to be matched on LBs. Why this team continues to hand him draws boggles me completely. He isn't worth a 2nd rounder, but the Chiefs offensive staff has done him no favors.
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I was impressed with McCluster today, but only because there were flashes of how he SHOULD be used. He needs to get in the screen game and needs to be matched on LBs. Why this team continues to hand him draws boggles me completely. He isn't worth a 2nd rounder, but the Chiefs offensive staff has done him no favors.
The only reason he's getting touches is because Charles is hurt.
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8 touches for DMC today.

He needs 15 in the season finale for BossChief to win.

Kudos to the little bastard for making a huge play for the first time this year.
I will say this about the guy, and don't take it as me predicting huge things, but a guy like him needs an accurate QB. If you look at the pass he caught for like 15 yards down the seem, thats a Welker/Woodhead type play. He needs to be hit on the run so he has full speed.

Who knows what he becomes, but I would think he improves if he gets a QB that can hit him in stride.
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