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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-17-2012, 08:29 PM   #376
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I'd give a shit about Baldwins rookie season stats if it wasn't hindered by Jones and he was more than a sub.
No one is labeling him a bust.

But "showed great potential" is dubious.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:29 PM   #377
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I've lost track of what the argument is.

Aturnis asked earlier if Bowe is worth 100 mil, and I say resoundingly yes, and it isn't a debate.
Welcome to the party. Now, do you pay him what he's actually asking? 110-130 million with, supposedly a large portion guaranteed.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:31 PM   #378
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The dig what he did in college.

As far as what he did as a rookie, it was a huge disappointment.

To label anything he did last year outside the San Diego game as "great potential" is a joke.
Again, if he had Matt Ryan throwing him the ball, he might have had a better season.



You yourself said it's amazing how much the Matt Cassel effect can **** something up.
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**** yes.
Ok, now put your big boy pants on and make the trade with no hindsight. Not only that, but there was no deal they would have accepted, so its kind of a moo point.
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Welcome to the party. Now, do you pay him what he's actually asking? 110-130 million with, supposedly a large portion guaranteed.
Hell yes, and I'd smile doing it. He's EARNED it.
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No one is labeling him a bust.

But "showed great potential" is dubious.
So what would be showing great potential?



Isn't doing what Jones or Aj Green did not actually showing potential, but providing?
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Exactly.
Nobody said they were great, but they outplayed expectations, and investment.
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Basically 3 games, one good one, one lousy one, one average one.

He could be Will Shields or he could be nothing.
Young and do better. Any pressure given up? Sacks? Needs work run blocking?
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I think Baldwin is talented but outside of a few acrobatic catches, one that didn't even count, he hasn't done shit.
No, he didn't, but he showed great potential. How long was he in training camp before he was sidelined?
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So what would be showing great potential?
Not 20 catches.

Arellious Benn had 395 yards on 25 catches as a rookie and I got raked over the coals for suggesting he would have been a better pick than DMC.
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Ok, now put your big boy pants on and make the trade with no hindsight. Not only that, but there was no deal they would have accepted, so its kind of a moo point.
Oh noez, a GM in the NFL is going to have to be comfortable with identifying amateur talent and taking a risk.

We're ****ed.

(You're right about the moot point, but you posed the question and thus...)
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Do you want to compare their rookie seasons?
How many games did snoop play? How much practice did he get? Was he limited in his snaps?
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How many games did snoop play? How much practice did he get? Was he limited in his snaps?
Help me out here. Are you having this conversation in an attempt to cheapen Bowe's worth to the team, as in to show what Baldwin MIGHT potentially be to the team, and why we shouldn't pay Bowe what he's asking?
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No, he didn't, but he showed great potential.
Here are last year's rookie results for wide receivers.



I was just wondering what you thought of Austin Pettis, Greg Salas and Jeremy Kerley.

Should we trade for one? It appears they showed great potential.
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How do we know Baldwin's hand injury didn't cause him to drop some of thos balls?
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