***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

85% asymptomatic cases? I had no idea it has been this high.

Again don't quote me but it seems that's about the rate. I mean think about all the times you have heard of outbreaks say at meat packing plants; 200 people tested, 95 tested positive but only 6 had symptoms. Reports like that are common.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its more likely you didn't have it.

We have been finding people getting positive results 14 days after symptoms are gone because dead RNA triggers a positive test. Some states don't even do a another test to get a negative (after a positive) now because the data isn't real useful.

That literally makes no sense as to why I tested positive. I never had symptoms. I was likely positive and asymptomatic.

And yes, swabbing after a positive is not happening anymore. It’s a 10 day quarantine from positive test without symptoms and minimum 10 day quarantine with 72 hours symptom free if positive with symptoms.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pants

85% asymptomatic cases? I had no idea it has been this high.

CDC best estimate is 40%

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

85% asymptomatic cases? I had no idea it has been this high.

Well like I said, don't quote me. I have seen some state it is only 40%. Either way it's an extremely large amount.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

CDC best estimate is 40%

the pre-symptomatic and mild symptoms or atypical symptoms at one time were lumped in with asymptomatic which muddies the water a little.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

the pre-symptomatic and mild symptoms or atypical symptoms at one time were lumped in with asymptomatic which muddies the water a little.

And the study I think referenced while older and was world wide did say 80% of cases were asymptomatic or mild symptoms. so yes, you have to throw in the mild symptoms to get to the 80%ish level being 80% of cases are either asymptomatic or mild symptoms

[Discuss Thrower]

Virginia terminated the high school football season.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

That wouldn't make sense why he threw a positive the first time though.

False positive.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

That literally makes no sense as to why I tested positive. I never had symptoms. I was likely positive and asymptomatic.

And yes, swabbing after a positive is not happening anymore. It’s a 10 day quarantine from positive test without symptoms and minimum 10 day quarantine with 72 hours symptom free if positive with symptoms.

False positive.

[Donger]

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...2u4-story.html



Several lab companies that process coronavirus tests from Florida have reported incomplete data to the state, officials said Tuesday, creating discrepancies in the numbers public health officials rely on to track the pandemic across communities.

In some cases, labs reported positive test results, but did not report the number of negative test results.

That has the potential to skew a key statistic known as the positivity rate or the percent of tests that are positive. That measure is often used by public health officials to determine how widespread infections are in a community.

State officials acknowledged the problem on Tuesday, but did not provide specifics such as how many labs were reporting incomplete data. They said the problem was centered on small, private labs.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Virginia terminated the high school football season.

I am content with canceling things like this if it means school doesn't get canceled. I mean kids love their sports but education is what you're there for.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

False positive.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

False positive.

So you're saying it was a false positive?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am content with canceling things like this if it means school doesn't get canceled. I mean kids love their sports but education is what you're there for.

Football as a sport cannot survive cancellations like that.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Football as a sport cannot survive cancellations like that.

If the choice is between kids playing a game after school or getting an education then sorry, education first.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Football as a sport cannot survive cancellations like that.

They're planning to have football right now in SWMO atleast the officials association is, but it's basically "we're gonna go forth like there will be a season knowing full well it's not likely to happen".