***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, they did. In less than a month. Seems like a rather short time frame to acquire herd immunity. And even if that 30% speculative number is accurate, as you know, that far below what epidemiologists say is required.

I think it much more likely that saw the horrible rise in cases and deaths, slammed the doors shut, everyone masked and they are reopening with a phased approach based on numbers and data, not want.

Most virologists and epidemiologists have said it's likely somewhere between 20 and 60 percent. The early talk of 70 is pretty much history.

You also have overshot once it gets ramping out of control. It's not gonna be the same everywhere also, so if it is that in NY which is heavily dense in population, it would likely be lower in say, BFE MO.

It's not a one size fits all thing.

I'm hopeful it is the same thing in Italy and they're where NY is. If thats the case, places like large cities in Texas and Florida are about 2 or 3 weeks from it.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'll trade jobs with you ****ers and you can come be in 30 peoples mouths per day.

I don’t envy you at all.

Stay safe.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

He has literally had to flip-flop on every take he made and I understand that some of that is unavoidable.

No, he hasn't.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Thank you.

For the record, there is nothing politicized about this video. It's just filled with good information

Interesting watch. Still watching but I like how he is explaining how we can get herd immunity with Covid with 1/3 of the population that we normally would need.

Very interesting breakdown.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just don't lie or try to coddle the population.

Thats the biggest issue i have with it all. Don't treat us like children because you're afraid of what might happen. Give us the info and let the chips fall where they may.

Originally Posted by loochy

It doesn't matter what I would have preferred they do....the bottom line is once they lied it turned a ton of people.


And yes, I know that the lie was completely obvious and any fool could see what they were doing....but it did what it did. Enough people didn't trust the government as it was, and then they do that.

Can you guys imagine the outcome had the White House experts recommended wearing masks at the beginning of the pandemic?

Considering the fact that ****ing toilet paper was sold out all over the country in Mid-March, any and all available masks would have been purchased within a week, leaving medical professionals and caregivers zero options.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Most virologists and epidemiologists have said it's likely somewhere between 20 and 60 percent. The early talk of 70 is pretty much history.

You also have overshot once it gets ramping out of control. It's not gonna be the same everywhere also, so if it is that in NY which is heavily dense in population, it would likely be lower in say, BFE MO.

It's not a one size fits all thing.

I'm hopeful it is the same thing in Italy and they're where NY is. If thats the case, places like large cities in Texas and Florida are about 2 or 3 weeks from it.

Which virologists and epidemiologists are saying that?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yep. That's why I listen to Fauci but I don't hold what he says as gospel like several do. His track record on this virus for whatever reasons has been less than stellar. He has literally had to flip-flop on every take he made and I understand that some of that is unavoidable.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

We tell you that because you refuse to have any critical thinking skills and continue to spew a lot of bullshit in here.

PS- I haven’t worked from home ever and have worked alongside positive staff and patients daily.

Right, always some excuse, lew. In other words you're pissed because you got treated like you treat me. Got it. I am still sorry you took it that way but now not so much as I was.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Based on what I have read, one thing not discussed enough is the fact the PCR test that is utilized to detect the virus is incapable of ascertaining whether the virus is actually active and capable of transmitting or fragments of the virus that has been defeated by the immune response of the person being tested and therefore of no concern. This has led many to conclude the asymptomatic carriers are actually people that are immune to the virus and hence explains why they are not sick. It is possible we are largely keeping tallies of immune healthy people.

I would imagine if we did this mass testing for Influenza we would find similar results in terms of asymptomatic people.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What kind of mask where you wearing? Both times. Asking for a friend.

JFC Pete - you're as much of a scumbag as you are a dipshit. You're like a Madden 99 of overall suck.

If this whole thread just put Pete on ignore we'd be so much better off (I only saw this because Lew replied). But I guess he's like the dad in the Berenstain Bears - always doing the wrong thing so you know what not to do. Or Goofus vs. Gallant.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I don’t envy you at all.

Stay safe.

+1

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

JFC Pete - you're as much of a scumbag as you are a dipshit. You're like a Madden 99 of overall suck.

Now you know how it feels, bitch.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Right, always some excuse, lew. In other words you're pissed because you got treated like you treat me. Got it. I am still sorry you took it that way but now not so much as I was.

I wish you would go to work so I wouldn’t have to keep responding to you here!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I wish you would go to work so I wouldn’t have to keep responding to you here!

Newsflash, Mr. Critical Thinker, you don't have to keep responding to me.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by eDave

Wut?

He's a porn star.