Chiefs Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. - Page 262

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-17-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch

AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.

Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.

Spot on.

duncan_idaho · 09-17-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Thursday will be the real test for Alex. The Eagles will put up points at home so the offense is going to have kick it into high gear. This is the type of game Alex HAS to show he can win.

Agreed.

BigCatDaddy · 09-17-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj

Not sure I agree with you a 100% Big Cat. I think this is the best D the Eagles will face. Im not so sure they will put up a lot of points. Also if there is one thing Smith is a master of its the Long Long sustained drives. Even if they dont turn into points. He has been the best the last couple season at Time of possession. Im not sure where all this" He has to show he can win stuff" is coming from. He is 22-6 in his last 28 games including the playoffs. The Qb get s the blame for loses and the glory for wins. Thats just the way it is. KC can dream an dream for an Aaron Rogers type of QB, its just not who he is, but those W's just keep piling up. Keep rollin KC you guys look like a real deal football team, even without the 300yrd passing games everyone wants so bad. Ol Smitty still looks good in Red!!! Happy for you guys.

We'll see, but I get the feeling this week will be the week he can shut up the naysayers such as myself that worry about what happens with the d gives up over 20 points.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-17-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Spot on.

Every freaking team would be milking clock in that situation with their run game. Every single one.

It's not spot on. It's nowhere close to being on point. It's frankly absurd.

Alex Smiff · 09-17-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj

Not sure I agree with you a 100% Big Cat. I think this is the best D the Eagles will face. Im not so sure they will put up a lot of points. Also if there is one thing Smith is a master of its the Long Long sustained drives. Even if they dont turn into points. He has been the best the last couple season at Time of possession. Im not sure where all this" He has to show he can win stuff" is coming from. He is 22-6 in his last 28 games including the playoffs. The Qb get s the blame for loses and the glory for wins. Thats just the way it is. KC can dream an dream for an Aaron Rogers type of QB, its just not who he is, but those W's just keep piling up. Keep rollin KC you guys look like a real deal football team, even without the 300yrd passing games everyone wants so bad. Ol Smitty still looks good in Red!!! Happy for you guys.

I just hope KC doesn't sign him to a big contract as their long time starter because people will see eventually that he is very limited. Even with all the wins, Harbaugh saw it.

Alex's bread and butter is let the defense set the tone. If they keep the games close...the Chiefs will always be in games. If the D is ordinary. Good luck. It's not a knock on the guy, it's just not who he is. Fanboys have a hard time accepting that.

Marcellus · 09-17-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Every freaking team would be milking clock in that situation with their run game. Every single one.

It's not spot on. It's nowhere close to being on point. It's frankly absurd.

80 yard TD drive in the 3rd quarter. JC had 2 carries for 3 yards on that drive.

While JC is crucial the offense, it seems maybe the QB is doing work as well.

**Bearcat** · 09-17-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Seems the extremes are a fabrication altogether though. No one is saying you or anyone has to "go all in" and pronounce Alex is the savior of KC... that he is elite and will be exceptional for the next 10 years. No one is saying any of that... can you at least recognize and appreciate that much? Most of the pro-Alex guys are only really suggesting that it is wrong to label him as a Cassell and that KC can't be successful with him. You may not be black or white in your intent, but your posts have all definitely favored the pessimistic view... and definitely comes off as an axe to grind VS a simple pat on the back, and keep doing well, Alex.

We're going in circles... I've posted the stats. 2010 Cassel and 2011 Smith are almost identical statistically, and their career stats are just as eerily similar. 2012 Smith had a better rating because his completion percentage was up, but there wasn't a huge difference in projected yardage/TDs/etc. Really, the only significant difference is the win over the Saints in the playoffs, and that yes, Smith continued to improve while Cassel didn't (granted, the 49ers were a better team, but whatever).

I do see it as an upgrade so far... better pocket presence, doesn't curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of trouble, etc... but, being efficient in the first two games while throwing for less than 6 yards per completion doesn't make him significantly better than the 2010 Cassel who had a 27/7 TD/INT ratio and only fumbled twice.

Of course Smith is an upgrade from last season, which isn't saying much, and he has shown more flashes of potential... but, that's it for now. The numbers don't lie. He'll be given a few opportunities this year to possibly win high scoring games (maybe in both of the next two games) and he'll go up against Peyton Manning twice. Of course, he doesn't have to win all of them by throwing for 600 yards and 8 touchdowns, but what he does will go a lot further in determining if he can take it to the next level than talking about the past while he was on a different team with different coaches, etc.

You guys like him, I get it... but, again, you have to understand that we're coming from years and years of retread QBs and years and years of believing it'll be different "this time"... and as much as I'd love for it to be true for the first time in 20 years, as someone who has seen plenty of ~10 win/1 and done seasons, cautious optimism is about the best I can do, and even that's a stretch before the end of the month.

Marcellus · 09-17-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

We're going in circles... I've posted the stats. 2010 Cassel and 2011 Smith are almost identical statistically, and their career stats are just as eerily similar. 2012 Smith had a better rating because his completion percentage was up, but there wasn't a huge difference in projected yardage/TDs/etc. Really, the only significant difference is the win over the Saints in the playoffs, and that yes, Smith continued to improve while Cassel didn't (granted, the 49ers were a better team, but whatever).

2 games into 2010 Cassel had 2 picks 1 TD and 243 passing yards.

If you think Smith is going to project to have the same season this year that Cassel did in 2010, I don't even know what to tell you.

Do you Smith is going to go backwards from here? Being serious.

duncan_idaho · 09-17-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

You guys like him, I get it... but, again, you have to understand that we're coming from years and years of retread QBs and years and years of believing it'll be different "this time"... and as much as I'd love for it to be true for the first time in 20 years, as someone who has seen plenty of ~10 win/1 and done seasons, cautious optimism is about the best I can do, and even that's a stretch before the end of the month.

Love the whole post, but especially this part.

The Chiefs fanbase has been burned by QBs like Alex Smith time and again. The biggest difference with Smith is that there is MORE evidence about who he really is than probably any other retread guy KC has brought in since DeBerg or Krieg.

Very few people are saying the guy is terrible. But we are more than justified in being cautious about a guy who has been a game manager, mediocre QB in the past, and wanting to see him be MORE than that before he's signed to a lucrative extension.

I'll give Dorsey major credit on not extending him right away. If he doesn't elevate his play and they move on after two years, I'll give Dorsey even more (though I'll point out that they paid an awful lot to get him, ESPECIALLY if they haven't won something significant in that timeframe).

If at the end of 2014, the Chiefs go in a different direction at QB and have won 18 games in 2013 and 2014 without a playoff run or even a divisional crown, the trade is a failure, IMO.

Unless Tyler Bray is the lightning strike and becomes a star, thanks in part to Alex Smith's tutelage. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

**Baby Lee** · 09-17-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

And to be honest, if you are being honest with yourself

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm starting to think you suspect I'm less than honest...

'Maybe it's just me, but for me. . . '

Jakemall · 09-17-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch

AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.

Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.

How many total yards of offense were there? How many yards rushing did Charles have? And HE'S THE QUARTERBACK?

LOL..wow. I don't even know what to say.

NinerDoug · 09-17-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Thursday will be the real test for Alex. The Eagles will put up points at home so the offense is going to have kick it into high gear. This is the type of game Alex HAS to show he can win.

In 2011 he staged a 20 + point second half comeback, in Philly, to beat the Eagles.

BigCatDaddy · 09-17-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug

In 2011 he staged a 20 + point second half comeback, in Philly, to beat the Eagles.

This was addressed. He threw for like 5 yards on the game winning drive.

Jakemall · 09-17-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

I just hope KC doesn't sign him to a big contract as their long time starter because people will see eventually that he is very limited. Even with all the wins, Harbaugh saw it.

Alex's bread and butter is let the defense set the tone. If they keep the games close...the Chiefs will always be in games. If the D is ordinary. Good luck. It's not a knock on the guy, it's just not who he is. Fanboys have a hard time accepting that.

He means like the Eagles game.

Jakemall · 09-17-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

This was addressed. He threw for like 5 yards on the game winning drive.

Because a 20+ point comeback requires only 7 points.

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