***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jdubya]

My daughter says she is hearing rumors her high school is about to cancel next fall and resume “distance learning”. At first I was upset but now I think this will be a great thing. I think we will do a lot of traveling and camping and college campus touring. She can accompany me on deer/duck and elk hunts. As long as we have WiFi we will be good to go. Wife has already spread the word to other friends parents suggesting we all go camping together. One window closes, others will open.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And if they were encouraged about its ability to cause an immune response in humans, it would reported by every news agency across the globe.

There are just far too many people jumping the gun on these vaccine trials.

I mean, there ARE reports about various vaccines showing promise in every news agency across the globe. None of it is a done deal, but "we haven't gotten to the final checkbox" is a lot better than "it didn't work."

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And if they were encouraged about its ability to cause an immune response in humans, it would reported by every news agency across the globe.

There are just far too many people jumping the gun on these vaccine trials.

Moderna just released their Phase 1 data and are still in planning to start a Phase 3 trial.

I'll stick with my guns in saying if the Oxford vaccine started Phase 3 trials in late June, the Phase 1 data probably looks pretty solid.

We won't truly know until they release the data, obviously.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I mean, there ARE reports about various vaccines showing promise in every news agency across the globe. None of it is a done deal, but "we haven't gotten to the final checkbox" is a lot better than "it didn't work."

Logically I wouldn't see a company investing in a large trial if they didn't see results that were promising or had terrible side effects, etc.

[O.city]

The Moderna side effects are a bit iffy for me. The Oxford one looks alot better thus far.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And if they were encouraged about its ability to cause an immune response in humans, it would reported by every news agency across the globe.

There are just far too many people jumping the gun on these vaccine trials.

Are you living under a rock? What you describe has happened. Pretty much every news outlet has reported on the promising results.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Moderna side effects are a bit iffy for me. The Oxford one looks alot better thus far.

If I'm remembering correctly, the side effects were seen in the larger doses, which they have ruled out giving.

Please don't hold me to that - I've read a lot about vaccines in the past couple of days that I may not be remembering correctly.

[Donger]

What California did wrong:

https://www.businessinsider.com/cali...anymore-2020-6

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by TLO

If I'm remembering correctly, the side effects were seen in the larger doses, which they have ruled out giving.

Please don't hold me to that - I've read a lot about vaccines in the past couple of days that I may not be remembering correctly.

According to the article I read today you are correct

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

What California did wrong:

https://www.businessinsider.com/cali...anymore-2020-6

From the article.

Newsom said on Monday that California's seven-day positivity rate was 5.9%.

That's not absurdly high like we've seen in other locations at least. Hopefully it doesn't continue to go up.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by TLO

From the article.



That's not absurdly high like we've seen in other locations at least. Hopefully it doesn't continue to go up.

I was reading a local bay area article this morning that said overall in Ca, ICU`s are at 60% which sounds alarming but then it stated that pre covid, ICU`s are usually in the 50%-60% range in normal times. So right now things are OK but keeping fingers crossed things dont grow exponentially.

In the same article it stated in my county of 1.1 million people, 15 died last month or so far this month but noted that 11 of the 15 were residents in long term health care facilities. It`s the first time Ive seen articles locally make this distinction.

https://patch.com/california/lamorin...ign=newsletter

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Are you living under a rock? What you describe has happened. Pretty much every news outlet has reported on the promising results.

Are you kidding me? From TLO's linked article regarding the Oxford Trial:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-next-n1233919

The vaccine candidate is already in large-scale Phase III human trials to assess whether it can protect against COVID-19, but its developers have yet to report Phase I results which would show whether it is safe and whether or not it induces an immune response.

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So, if every news outlet is reporting it's safe and effective, they're jumping the gun as well.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you kidding me? From TLO's linked article regarding the Oxford Trial:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-next-n1233919

The vaccine candidate is already in large-scale Phase III human trials to assess whether it can protect against COVID-19, but its developers have yet to report Phase I results which would show whether it is safe and whether or not it induces an immune response.

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So, if every news outlet is reporting it's safe and effective, they're jumping the gun as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/healt...udy/index.html

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I mean, there ARE reports about various vaccines showing promise in every news agency across the globe. None of it is a done deal, but "we haven't gotten to the final checkbox" is a lot better than "it didn't work."

Most of these reports bypass the details in favor of posting a splashy headline that garners clicks.

The details are often quite different.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

reeruned and toxic line of thinking.

Or maybe you were JUST KIDDING! In that case, HA HA HA!

So just got the email from the district. My favorite part is they won't know what the Governor's "plan" is for another 5-6 days. That's my problem with this woman. She has a bad habit of coming out, ruling by executive fiat and then providing her plan several days later.