***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But Sweden is a completely different country altogether.

They don't have the same amount ethnic diversity nor do they have extreme poverty. They also have a healthcare system for all (not trying to argue policy, just stating facts).

It's a very, very, very different country than the United States.

I dont' disagree but it seems that many on here want to use Sweden in one form or another to prove one point or another.

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think Pete's using covidly. Not sure about chitown.

I stand corrected. I was mis-remembering something i saw earlier.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Agreed.

We're almost back to a complete lockdown here so it'll be interesting to see when the number of cases begin to descend.

Let's assume you lock down again. To what end? Until a vaccine is found? What will you go back too? How are people going to survive in the meantime?

I get what you're saying but to say we need to lock down now and figure out everything else later seems like a not so good plan.

No easy answers.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Let's assume you lock down again. To what end? Until a vaccine is found? What will you go back too? How are people going to survive in the meantime?

No easy answers.

It's already pretty close, man.

Today, Newsom ordered that all schools in state will be online only for the foreseeable future, which to me indicates that we'll be like this until there's a safe and effective vaccine.

As for other businesses such as gyms, hair and nail salons, bars and restaurants - who knows? I absolutely agree that it's going to hurt millions of individuals and families for as long as it lasts and it just sucks that there's no end on the horizon.

As you said, there are no easy answers. This just blows.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think Sweden showed that the Emperor has no clothes.

They brought R below 1 with no business closures, school closures or masks.

The two things they did wrong were protection of nursing homes where 73% of their deaths happened and they coded deaths too liberally so that everyone who died with Covid was counted. I would count those differently and then you have almost the perfect strategy.

And even though they didn't do business closures, it turns out a lot of people stay home when the virus surges.

Their economy has fallen as much as Denmark who has one tenth the deaths per capita.

[petegz28]

Not sure if accurate but I have seen her on Fox News several times and she has leaned towards the "doom and gloomer" side if you ask me so a bit surprised to see her post this

BREAKING: Health officials from numerojs states have mistakenly included positive results from antibody tests when reporting new COVID-19 cases to the CDC, grossly inflating new cases. The scientific equivalent to “double dipping.”

— Nicole Saphier, MD (@NBSaphierMD) July 17, 2020

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

And even though they didn't do business closures, it turns out a lot of people stay home when the virus surges.

Their economy has fallen as much as Denmark who has one tenth the deaths per capita.

There will be negative consequences because all of the world is connected to their economy. But at least they didn't have the government picking winners and losers as we did here in the US. We are now having a massive consolidation and small business owners are getting wiped off the map.

I am in NY but can do business anywhere in the US. If I was facing the public or retail I would strongly consider leaving NY. Cuomo is crushing business out of existence here.

[petegz28]

Twitter on fire tonight I guess. I don't tweet much so...

"My name is Brian C. Procter MD and I am a Board-Certified Family Physician in McKinney, Texas. I am a colleague of Dr. Ivette Lozano...I understand that you are trying to get the truth out about hydroxychloroquine"#COVID19 full text below

Link to videohttps://t.co/Fm0NklBujP pic.twitter.com/ggFy5Tw6e4

— lisamichelle12_ ������������⭐️⭐️⭐️ (@lisamichelle124) July 17, 2020

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Not sure if accurate but I have seen her on Fox News several times and she has leaned towards the "doom and gloomer" side if you ask me so a bit surprised to see her post this

This was reported by the New York Times on May 22, so either she's regurgitating old news in order to stay relevant or she's the only person who has this information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/u...tests-cdc.html

C.D.C. Test Counting Error Leaves Epidemiologists ‘Really Baffled’

As it tracks the coronavirus’s spread, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is combining tests that detect active infection with those that detect recovery from Covid-19 — a system that muddies the picture of the pandemic but raises the percentage of Americans tested as President Trump boasts about testing.

Now that serology tests, which look for antibodies in the blood of people who have recovered, are more widespread, C.D.C. officials said Friday they would work to separate them from the results of diagnostic tests, which detect active infection. One of the agency’s data tracker websites has been lumping them together.

Stunned epidemiologists say data from antibody tests and active virus tests should never be mixed because diagnostic testing seeks to quantify the amount of active disease in the population. Serological testing can also be unreliable. And patients who have had both diagnostic and serology tests would be counted twice in the totals.

“It just doesn’t make any sense; all of us are really baffled,” said Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at the University of Florida.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Not sure if accurate but I have seen her on Fox News several times and she has leaned towards the "doom and gloomer" side if you ask me so a bit surprised to see her post this

BREAKING: Health officials from numerojs states have mistakenly included positive results from antibody tests when reporting new COVID-19 cases to the CDC, grossly inflating new cases. The scientific equivalent to “double dipping.”

— Nicole Saphier, MD (@NBSaphierMD) July 17, 2020

That’s a pretty big screw up, you would think they would have shit together by now.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Let's assume you lock down again. To what end? Until a vaccine is found? What will you go back too? How are people going to survive in the meantime?

I get what you're saying but to say we need to lock down now and figure out everything else later seems like a not so good plan.

No easy answers.

If people Would be responsible and reasonable we could stay somewhat open.

You can have a family BBQ but don’t have 85 people over have ten , where a mask when required don’t yell at the cashier about having to where it , if you have symptoms stay home try and do take out instead of eating in etc it is doable .

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If people Would be responsible and reasonable we could stay somewhat open.

You can have a family BBQ but don’t have 85 people over have ten , where a mask when required don’t yell at the cashier about having to where it , if you have symptoms stay home try and do take out instead of eating in etc it is doable .

You are gonna have a hard time telling people they can't have a funeral while letting 1,000's rampage across the city. People tend to think you are full of shit when you say you can't have more than 10 people but then let several thousand "protest".

Right or wrong it's just human nature.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If people Would be responsible and reasonable we could stay somewhat open.

You can have a family BBQ but don’t have 85 people over have ten , where a mask when required don’t yell at the cashier about having to where it , if you have symptoms stay home try and do take out instead of eating in etc it is doable .

Where a mask!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This was reported by the New York Times on May 22, so either she's regurgitating old news in order to stay relevant or she's the only person who has this information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/u...tests-cdc.html

C.D.C. Test Counting Error Leaves Epidemiologists ‘Really Baffled’

As it tracks the coronavirus’s spread, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is combining tests that detect active infection with those that detect recovery from Covid-19 — a system that muddies the picture of the pandemic but raises the percentage of Americans tested as President Trump boasts about testing.

Now that serology tests, which look for antibodies in the blood of people who have recovered, are more widespread, C.D.C. officials said Friday they would work to separate them from the results of diagnostic tests, which detect active infection. One of the agency’s data tracker websites has been lumping them together.

Stunned epidemiologists say data from antibody tests and active virus tests should never be mixed because diagnostic testing seeks to quantify the amount of active disease in the population. Serological testing can also be unreliable. And patients who have had both diagnostic and serology tests would be counted twice in the totals.

“It just doesn’t make any sense; all of us are really baffled,” said Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at the University of Florida.

Like I said, I have no idea of the accuracy.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by R Clark

That’s a pretty big screw up, you would think they would have shit together by now.

That assumes they want to publish the truth.