***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

There would still be masses meeting up and spreading it.

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk

It's true, but the simulations in this article are really cool at demonstrating how much better things are as you increase the percentage of people who are social distancing.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

The most interesting article on Covid-19 you will read/see today....

Why Outbreaks Like Covid-19 Spread Exponentially, and How to "Flatten the Curve"

Really fascinating simulations in there if you are a math geek....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ource=facebook

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

good morning all. Hoping for a healthy day.

Good morning and same to you, sir!

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

just do it

Dr. Fauci would prefer a 14-day national shutdown of some sort to slow down coronavirus, and has made this point of view known in admin, he says on "Meet the Press."

"I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for over-reacting," Fauci told @chucktodd.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) March 15, 2020

Do what?

This idea we have a 14 day shutdown....shutdown exactly meaning?

Its absurd, unenforceable, and unrealistic

[displacedinMN]

I want to hear from a true Doomsday prepper on how much they have put away.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I know Tommy’s friend too. He’s young, strong, healthy. And this thing has really knocked him down. Please take it seriously. https://t.co/MrIEwUec0a

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) March 15, 2020

So what's actually happening to him? He has a fever and body aches (duh, because body aches come with fever). Of course they're looking at his O2 sat and temp...that should be done with the flu anyway. They gave him prophylactic antibiotics to ward off any secondary bacterial infections and they're just trying the malaria meds because COVID19 replicates in the same way that malaria does.

So why is this post worded so threateningly?

There's this too, so should we pretend everything is ok?

pic.twitter.com/N80c1tSSxE

— Tom Hanks (@tomhanks) March 13, 2020

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by loochy

So what's actually happening to him? He has a fever and body aches (duh, because body aches come with fever). Of course they're looking at his O2 sat and temp...that should be done with the flu anyway. They gave him prophylactic antibiotics to ward off any secondary bacterial infections and they're just trying the malaria meds because COVID19 replicates in the same way that malaria does.

SARS-CoV-2 does not replicate the same way malaria does. Malaria is a plasmodial infection caused by a parasite which lies dormant in the liver before infecting red blood cells. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that uses a viral spike to attach to ACE2 receptors, wherein a protease cleaves the spike that allows a fusion peptide to attach, thereby allowing viral entry into the cell.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

SARS-CoV-2 does not replicate the same way malaria does. Malaria is a plasmodial infection caused by a parasite which lies dormant in the liver before infecting red blood cells. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that uses a viral spike to attach to ACE2 receptors, wherein a protease cleaves the spike that allows a fusion peptide to attach, thereby allowing viral entry into the cell.

Heh, sorry. It was an explanation I read last night about why malaria meds are being tried

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm guessing people are downvoting it because it's "political," which I get.

As we've acknowledged, there's a ton of grey area here. My personal opinion is that factual news about Trump and the administration's response is welcome in this thread. It would be very difficult to avoid it entirely. Posts that second-guess said response or try to get into the blame game are not.

There will still be some close calls, I'm sure, but that's a good standard IMO.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by loochy

Heh, sorry. It was an explanation I read last night about why malaria meds are being tried

Malarial meds are being tried to limit specific, deleterious inflammatory effects (of which there are many) of the immune response to infection. Plaquenil is actually an immunosuppressive drug more commonly used for rheumatoid arthritis than malaria.

[displacedinMN]

Gov of Minnesota to unveil plan for schools at 10 am.

He was a teacher.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's true, but the simulations in this article are really cool at demonstrating how much better things are as you increase the percentage of people who are social distancing.

I totally agree with what you are saying, but below is where the problem with that lies. It is unfortunate but true.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

what up darwin

3 p.m. Friday: Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards announces the closing of all schools for a month to help prevent the spread of the Coronavirus.

8 hours later...Bourbon Street. ��*♂️ pic.twitter.com/sPY3Isk93I

— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) March 14, 2020

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I totally agree with what you are saying, but below is where the problem with that lies. It is unfortunate but true.

It has been done successfully before. Look at the difference in mortality between St. Louis and Philadelphia during the 1918 flu.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

There would still be masses meeting up and spreading it.

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk

Probably

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Do what?

This idea we have a 14 day shutdown....shutdown exactly meaning?

Its absurd, unenforceable, and unrealistic

I assume a federal mandate to close all schools and domestic travel (airlines and Amtrac) for 14 days at the very minimum which is doable and enforceable but it would do alot of damage to the economy in the short turn.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

just do it

Dr. Fauci would prefer a 14-day national shutdown of some sort to slow down coronavirus, and has made this point of view known in admin, he says on "Meet the Press."

"I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for over-reacting," Fauci told @chucktodd.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) March 15, 2020

In the same Meet the Press interview Fauci didn’t see a big problem with the chaotic crowds at the airports returning from Europe.

So thousands of people congregating close together after returning from Europe is not a problem but we now have to close all restaurants... including small restaurants or restaurants that have drive-thru/delivery options?

Fauci can stop with his fear-mongering now after this blatant display of inconsistency/hypocrisy.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

I want to hear from a true Doomsday prepper on how much they have put away.

5 oil lamps that will burn anything from lamp oil to old Italian dressing.
Colmon stoves and lanterns. Will burn pump gas or Colman fuel.
Meat locker is full
Toilet paper
Canned foods
Beans and rice from Y2k still good to go
Vehicles i dont drive. Are filled with gas and used to hold 40 plus gallons of gas for generators ect.
Ammo,guns, pellet rifle ect.
Batteries
Wood burning stove was installed years ago.
Thats the jist