***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Sounds exactly like what was discovered back in May.

So for it to happen again would be an egregious error.

Let's see if it gains any traction.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by TLO

This needs to be looked into.

Almost seems like a federally designed program to make sure a standard for reporting is established across the board would help. We could get these infectious disease experts together to help form it and give them a name. Maybe something like the Centers for Disease Control or cdc for short?

Really makes u think.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Almost seems like a federally designed program to make sure a standard for reporting is established across the board would help. We could get these infectious disease experts together to help form it and give them a name. Maybe something like the Centers for Disease Control or cdc for short?

Really makes u think.

That is a thinker....

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by TLO

Happy Birthday, BTW.

Thanks!

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[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Not sure if accurate but I have seen her on Fox News several times and she has leaned towards the "doom and gloomer" side if you ask me so a bit surprised to see her post this

BREAKING: Health officials from numerojs states have mistakenly included positive results from antibody tests when reporting new COVID-19 cases to the CDC, grossly inflating new cases. The scientific equivalent to “double dipping.”

— Nicole Saphier, MD (@NBSaphierMD) July 17, 2020

Yes, they were. They were also including negative antibody tests as well. Which was making their testing % look better.

Here's an article complaining about it in May: https://www.11alive.com/article/news...1-acd2d4179790

Georgia eventually split out the antibody tests like people were asking for. But again - this was only making their testing % look better, not worse.

Consider that all these states (like Florida and some small clinics reporting 100% positive in the most recent ZOMG HOAX BOMBSHELL) are red states. They aren't freaking cooking the books to make Trump look bad.

It's another example of the Covid=hoax crowd just throwing nonsense against the wall, over and over, for no purpose other than to make people doubt everything they read or hear. It's dangerous, very effective propaganda imo. The truth is unknowable, so just pick whatever you want to be true, and sneer at anyone who actually buys the govt line for being hopelessly naive.

I'm not saying the local, state or federal govt doesn't get it wrong sometimes. Of course they do. But for the most part you better have good evidence to refute official stats. Just pointing at one discrepancy somewhere (which is usually eventually explained as either not true, an honest mistake, and/or not mattering at all to overall numbers) and going "Aha! Everything is invalid now!" is not good evidence.

[F150]

CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data https://t.co/g5RUZyHjLU

— Kris Held,MD (@kksheld) July 18, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by F150

CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data https://t.co/g5RUZyHjLU

— Kris Held,MD (@kksheld) July 18, 2020

Seems some of these people, myself included, are just now finding this out even though it was out in May.

[Demonpenz]

can I have lewdog's casino cash?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yes, they were. They were also including negative antibody tests as well. Which was making their testing % look better.

Here's an article complaining about it in May: https://www.11alive.com/article/news...1-acd2d4179790

Georgia eventually split out the antibody tests like people were asking for. But again - this was only making their testing % look better, not worse.

Consider that all these states (like Florida and some small clinics reporting 100% positive in the most recent ZOMG HOAX BOMBSHELL) are red states. They aren't freaking cooking the books to make Trump look bad.

It's another example of the Covid=hoax crowd just throwing nonsense against the wall, over and over, for no purpose other than to make people doubt everything they read or hear. It's dangerous, very effective propaganda imo. The truth is unknowable, so just pick whatever you want to be true, and sneer at anyone who actually buys the govt line for being hopelessly naive.

I'm not saying the local, state or federal govt doesn't get it wrong sometimes. Of course they do. But for the most part you better have good evidence to refute official stats. Just pointing at one discrepancy somewhere (which is usually eventually explained as either not true, an honest mistake, and/or not mattering at all to overall numbers) and going "Aha! Everything is invalid now!" is not good evidence.

There are plenty of people that acknowledge there is a virus but don't agree with the obsession with cases. Detected cases do not tell us whether the virus is growing or retreating. Dr. Sunetra Gupta of Oxford said months ago that detected cases tells us little. Hospitalizations and deaths are better but even these need further examination.

Patients with covid/treated for covid

Died with Covid/of Covid

[Dunit35]

We had a four hour meeting about a mask mandate here in Enid, OK. A majority were wearing red for anti mask. Many were outside protesting anti masks. Many were voicing their opinions on the podium, breathing into and touching the same mic. A majority were telling the mayor and council that they would not forgot who voted yes when election time came.

It got voted down 5-2. The mayor even voted no and he’s always been pro mask. Now the two biggest stores we have, Wal Mart and Aldi require masks so the tantrums were kind of stupid.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

We had a four hour meeting about a mask mandate here in Enid, OK. A majority were wearing red for anti mask. Many were outside protesting anti masks. Many were voicing their opinions on the podium, breathing into and touching the same mic. A majority were telling the mayor and council that they would not forgot who voted yes when election time came.

It got voted down 5-2. The mayor even voted no and he’s always been pro mask. Now the two biggest stores we have, Wal Mart and Aldi require masks so the tantrums were kind of stupid.

So they were wearing a red mask in protest? If that would make people do it, I'm all for it.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So they were wearing a red mask in protest? If that would make people do it, I'm all for it.

Stick a lame slogan on it and get out there.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by eDave

Stick a lame slogan on it and get out there.

Exactly. I've said for a long time that part of the way to get people to wear masks is to give them masks they want to wear. I rotate between Chiefs, Avs, and Rockies masks. If it can go on a ball cap, it can go on a mask.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So they were wearing a red mask in protest? If that would make people do it, I'm all for it.

No. They were wearing red. Nowhere does he say they "wore red masks".

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Exactly. I've said for a long time that part of the way to get people to wear masks is to give them masks they want to wear.

^shallow^