***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

His accuracy is improving.

How so?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mac459

He was talking about the Hispanic culture when you jumped in wanting to claim racial motives behind his post. When explained that wasn’t the case, and others said they agreed with what he was saying. You had nothing to say to them, yet you jump all over the next thing you can to tie racial shit to his statement about Hispanic culture.


So either condemn the others that has agreed with him, along with the others who have brought up islanders, or ****ing drop it. You get too ****ing emotional about thus things still.

I have no problem with what he said my point is that it's not just the Hispanic culture that is to blame for the high CoronaVirus positive numbers among Hispanics. I also provided a source for this which he immediately dismissed because of his ego.

I also agreed with another poster who said education and income level are more of a correlation to high CoronaVirus positive numbers than race although I haven't done research on it. I think we can all agree that highly educated Hispanics working high paying jobs are not out there spreading the CoronaVirus at the same rate low income Hispanics are and that goes for any group.

I don't see how that makes me emotional.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

How so?

I was joking. It's not.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I was joking. It's not.

Well the pitch was at least closer than the mark than the 'models' the Experts were using that predicted millions of deaths in weeks, so.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I was joking. It's not.

What was he inaccurate about the pandemic?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Well the pitch was at least closer than the mark than the 'models' the Experts were using that predicted millions of deaths in weeks, so.

Do we really need to this again?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

What was he inaccurate about the pandemic?

I bet you are quite the life of the party.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Well the pitch was at least closer than the mark than the 'models' the Experts were using that predicted millions of deaths in weeks, so.

Come on, Neil "Bird Flu" Ferguson has a great track record on these predictions!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I bet you are quite the life of the party.

You chose to perk up. Feel free to elaborate.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I have no problem with what he said my point is that it's not just the Hispanic culture that is to blame for the high CoronaVirus positive numbers among Hispanics. I also provided a source for this which he immediately dismissed because of his ego.

I also agreed with another poster who said education and income level are more of a correlation to high CoronaVirus positive numbers than race although I haven't done research on it. I think we can all agree that highly educated Hispanics working high paying jobs are not out there spreading the CoronaVirus at the same rate low income Hispanics are and that goes for any group.

I don't see how that makes me emotional.

I am in a Hispanic hiking group, have a bunch of Hispanic friends, dated a couple Hispanic girls, lived in LA for 20 years, and spent 6 months driving through Mexico and Central America. I'd guess it's some of both - extreme family closeness + tendency towards more essential jobs. But how much of each, who knows.

Italy was very similar. Lots of people living with their grandparents etc. Like young adults still eat dinner with their parents and grandma every night - that type of thing. Spain and France are similar I think. It seems to be something about the Romance language and/or Catholic countries. My mom was one of 7 Irish Catholic kids and I see a lot of similar dynamics in our family.

Also recent immigrants - 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation - tend to have very tight-knit communities and family groups in general.

It's something I've always admired and even envied about Hispanic culture out here. They always have family and community support. It just happens to be working against them right now.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

You chose to perk up. Feel free to elaborate.

Dead horse has been beaten. Arguing online for days and nobody's mind being changed just doesn't appeal to me, but you be you broski.

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I have no problem with what he said my point is that it's not just the Hispanic culture that is to blame for the high CoronaVirus positive numbers among Hispanics. I also provided a source for this which he immediately dismissed because of his ego.

I also agreed with another poster who said education and income level are more of a correlation to high CoronaVirus positive numbers than race although I haven't done research on it. I think we can all agree that highly educated Hispanics working high paying jobs are not out there spreading the CoronaVirus at the same rate low income Hispanics are and that goes for any group.

I don't see how that makes me emotional.

It was said Hispanics made up 50% of CA cases, Marcellus pointed out he has been saying that it would hit them hard. You jumped, bringing race up and saying white kids hit bars as soon as possible.


Marc then said you could argue, but you would be wrong. Culture and multiple family living is big in Hispanic and Pacific Islander families. You then said something about closet racist. (This is an emotional part to me)


Multiple people pointed out the same thing, you completely ignored them saying it. Then today Marc brings up how he doesn’t understand how a player got sick while in camp, you bring up the racial thing again. (This is another emotional part.)




Sure economic status plays a part, sure education plays a part, but so does the culture of those groups as well. My wife is Filipino and her family in San Fran are very smart but also live in big homes with multiple families in it. They take care of the old, they are tight knit. Half of them are nurses, some are in IT, all are very smart.




Marc and everyone else who has said this about those groups aren’t doing it because of race, they are pointing out the culture, it’s not mean, it’s not rude, it’s not closet racism. Just the way it is with those cultures.

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I am in a Hispanic hiking group, have a bunch of Hispanic friends, dated a couple Hispanic girls, lived in LA for 20 years, and spent 6 months driving through Mexico and Central America. I'd guess it's some of both - extreme family closeness + tendency towards more essential jobs. But how much of each, who knows.

Italy was very similar. Lots of people living with their grandparents etc. Like young adults still eat dinner with their parents and grandma every night - that type of thing. Spain and France are similar I think. It seems to be something about the Romance language and/or Catholic countries. My mom was one of 7 Irish Catholic kids and I see a lot of similar dynamics in our family.

Also recent immigrants - 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation - tend to have very tight-knit communities and family groups in general.

It's something I've always admired and even envied about Hispanic culture out here. They always have family and community support. It just happens to be working against them right now.

PA, Suzzer right here probably explained it better than I did. This is all anyone was trying to say with it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Dead horse has been beaten. Arguing online for days and nobody's mind being changed just doesn't appeal to me, but you be you broski.

I don't blame you. That wouldn't have ended well for you. But by all means, keep bringing it up. Agenda is a good name for dead horse.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't blame you. That wouldn't have ended well for you. But by all means, keep bringing it up. Agenda is a good name for dead horse.

I could post video after video, but again it's been done and you were proven incorrect but wouldn't admit it. No reason for a repeat performance. Later, homey.