Peyton Manning

[Hootie]

So...

Do you guys still think Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning?

Everyone always said that he played with the better supporting cast...which is why Tom was better.

Now Peyton is playing behind a terrible offensive line and throwing to the likes of Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon...having arguably his best year ever...just like I always said...it wasn't the OTHER players...it was Peyton Manning.

So...

Is Brady still better than Manning?

Just curious.

[The Tom Dragon]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

um, he neither runs the ball or catches it. Garcon's drop was the play of the game. He catches that (perfect) pass and they go up 17-0.

thats sorta funny because had colston caught his perfect pass i think the saints would have had a little more momentum..did garcon make peyton throw the pick at the end of the game

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Follow Austin Collie on this play, and pause at 17 seconds.

Then tell me that the INT was anyone but Manning's fault.

you know whats great about this? sims is saying "i would not blitz, dont blitz here!" and then the saints bring the house and then its #18 shitapalooza

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

who knows great about this? sims is saying "i would not blitz, dont blitz here!" and then the saints bring the house and then its #18 shitapalooza

It looks like Wayne runs a crappy route. I'm not sure how it is Manning's fault any more than his.

That said, as a former N.O. resident and life-long Saints fan, I'd like to point out that is was an amazing defensive play that resulted from hours and hours of film study.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

It looks like Wayne runs a crappy route. I'm not sure how it is Manning's fault any more than his.

That said, as a former N.O. resident and life-long Saints fan, I'd like to point out that is was an amazing defensive play that resulted from hours and hours of film study.

A curl? A curl? What's crappy about running a curl route just beyond the sticks to get a first?

Manning f'ed up by throwing to the wrong fugging guy. Watch the tape. It's screamingly obvious.

And I agree, great job Saints, but that pick is NOT on the WR.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I did too actually and I am not even mildly a Colt liker.

Good sportsmanship by Manning going over to congratulate Drew.

[siberian khatru]

Collie was open at the marker with lots of room to run.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

A curl? A curl? What's crappy about running a curl route just beyond the sticks to get a first?

Manning f'ed up by throwing to the wrong fugging guy. Watch the tape. It's screamingly obvious.

And I agree, great job Saints, but that pick is NOT on the WR.

I guess you misunderstood. The route itself wasn't crappy (nothing wrong with a good curl route), it was poorly executed by the WR. Pause at :17. What's going on with his feet?

Yes, Manning could have thrown to a different (open!) receiver, but in the face of a blitz options are rushed and limited. I don't understand why the WR made no play on the ball. I heard someone claim that he slipped, but I'm not sure that's what I see.

And the Saints are awesome and tops at creating turnovers.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

I guess you misunderstood. The route itself wasn't crappy (nothing wrong with a good curl route), it was poorly executed by the WR. Pause at :17. What's going on with his feet?

You're serious?

[dallaschiefsfan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hootie has displayed a truly appalling amount of relativism in this, and basically every thread, in which he's proven wrong time and time again.

Manning is the GOAT of all time because he makes Marvin Harrison into one of the most productive receivers ever. Eddie Kennison would have had just as good of a career.

Tonight? Manning's downfall is blamed on Reggie Wayne.

Collie and Garcon mean nothing, he can do it with anyone, then Brees has a better supporting cast.

Manning only made one bad throw the entire game?

Well, what about that overthrow on 3rd down on the first drive that cost them a chance to get 7?

What about that bad decision on the out route on the game changing drive before he thew a ball that was almost intercepted by Jenkins?

Let's also remember that the Colts had twice as many yards rushing as the Saints, the same number of rushing attempts, so their running game was far more productive.

The Colts defense also gave Manning a turnover on the 2 yard line, basically saving him from having to score another 7 points.

Manning is the offensive coordinator and coach of the team, he calls all the plays and waves the punt team off the field...unless there are two minutes left in the half and then all of a sudden all calls go directly through Caldwell, who's never called an offensive play in his life.

The entire game flipped on the Garcon drop, but not the Colston drop.

What an embarrassing display.

Yeah, Manning played well last night. But he's the most important player on the team, and the other guy's most important player outperformed him, despite having no help from a running game. Manning also faced absolutely no pressure last night, save for one play.

And he threw a pick six.

Drew Brees was better when he had to be better.

Just like Tom Brady was better than Manning when he had to be.

Manning is an all-time great QB, but the fact remains that Montana won 4 SBs, including making a longer drive that Manning couldn't with half the time, and every time Manning has faced a truly top shelf QB in the playoffs, his record is:

1-6

Brady: 1-2
Brees: 0-1
Rivers: 0-2
McNair ('99 version): 0-1

Meanwhile, his wins in the playoffs have come against the following:

Trent Green: 2-0
McNair (washed up '06 version)
Rex Grossman
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (rookie)
Jake Plummer: 2-0

(We won't bash him for losses against Jay Fiedler, Chad Pennington, or 2nd year game manager Ben Roethlisberger here)

Manning is far more Wilt Chamberlain than he is Bill Russell.

Brilliant

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

You're serious?

Yes. A curl route is a timing route. It is incumbent upon the receiver to be in the right place at the right time.

Once again, though, the Saints (of whom I am a life-long supporter) made an excellent play. I am by no means a Colts fan, although I very firmly believe that Peyton Manning is a much better quarterback than Tom Brady. Manning is in the top 10 of all time. Brady is not.

[Sure-Oz]

Manning threw that pick 6, it was obvious Wayne wasn't going to catch that

[Royal Fanatic]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

for every Peyton "choke", I can show you a Brady "choke", and even reference a Montana postseason "choke"...

Really? How about listing some of Montana's postseason chokes?

Good luck with that.

[Basileus777]

9-9 In Playoffs. Playoff games lost when favored? Seven.

The guy would need to win 3 Super Bowl at least to match Montana and even then.....

I'm sorry it's over.

Manning is a great regular season QB, arguably the greatest statistically, although Unitas, Marino and Favre had that claim.

But the GOAT he'll never be. He'll always be marred by being the leader of one of the most underachieving teams in NFL history.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

Yes. A curl route is a timing route. It is incumbent upon the receiver to be in the right place at the right time.

Once again, though, the Saints (of whom I am a life-long supporter) made an excellent play. I am by no means a Colts fan, although I very firmly believe that Peyton Manning is a much better quarterback than Tom Brady. Manning is in the top 10 of all time. Brady is not.

Suffice to say I disagree with, erm, everything you just said.

[SDChiefs]

I personally think that Manning is GOAT choke artist. Or damn near. When I think choke I picture him.