NFL Draft We are not taking a QB in the first round - Page 27

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I didn't believe Tyson Jackson was a real option last year at this time either...

I did, a week or two before the draft when Gosslin first mentioned him rated that high. In fact at that point I was positive he was the pick.

And I still think there's a possibility that he may end up a pleasant surprise.

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm not sure I agree with that. Not with the talent part, but I do think they're going to continue to be more concerned with conditioning than Herm was. I think that's part of the (coachspeak warning) culture they're trying to change.

I think in theory it's great but having guys who play on the lines drop a ton of weight is not a good idea, there's a reason general NFL linemen play at a certain size.

But I'm still not sure that it's even conditioned them better, this team has been horrible in the 2nd half of the year, getting completely trounced numerous times.

**DeezNutz** · 01-02-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I did, a week or two before the draft when Gosslin first mentioned him rated that high. In fact at that point I was positive he was the pick.

And I still think there's a possibility that he may end up a pleasant surprise.

What's made you hopeful about this? No bullshit. Not setting you up for an attack.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think in theory it's great but having guys who play on the lines drop a ton of weight is not a good idea, there's a reason general NFL linemen play at a certain size.

I don't imagine it's something we have to worry about seeing again.

I think it was in some ways oversold, too. I think a lot of that weight loss was the result of lazy ****ers who came into camp overweight. Because that was the way it had been here up until now. I think that's primarily what the focus was, making sure you're ready to hit the ground running in August, instead of hitting doughnut buffets all July.

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I did, a week or two before the draft when Gosslin first mentioned him rated that high. In fact at that point I was positive he was the pick.

And I still think there's a possibility that he may end up a pleasant surprise.

A week or 2 before the draft and Janaury 2nd aren't the same day...what if 2 weeks before this years draft Gosslin has us with Cody?

And yes I'd love to hear what makes you think Jackson will be a pleasant surprise, I'm not trying to be an ass but I wouldn't expect pleasant surprise from top 3 pick..I expect cornerstone player that is expected to be good period.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What's made you hopeful about this? No bullshit. Not setting you up for an attack.

Mostly things I heard about him the week after the draft, more athleticism and motor than I realized he had. He may end up being a hidden gem. Or not.

Either way, 2010 well tell a lot more than 2009 did.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

A week or 2 before the draft and Janaury 2nd aren't the same day...what if 2 weeks before this years draft Gosslin has us with Cody?

My reaction would be the same as it was with Jackson. What the ****...

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

A week or 2 before the draft and Janaury 2nd aren't the same day...what if 2 weeks before this years draft Gosslin has us with Cody?

And yes I'd love to hear what makes you think Jackson will be a pleasant surprise, I'm not trying to be an ass but I wouldn't expect pleasant surprise from top 3 pick..I expect cornerstone player that is expected to be good period.

I think that Tyson was put in a bad spot from a draft perspective. I think he will eventually pan out and be a very good player, but it's going to be next to impossible for him to live up to being the #3 overall player unless he becomes the next Richard Seymour (what RS was in his prime).

I don't blame Jackson for that, and I don't really blame the front office (I know some will have a shit fit about that but I don't). We tried to trade down and couldn't find any takers. The only guy that in hindsight would have been worth it was Orakpo. And I think what hurt him was ****ing Vernon Gholston because everyone kept comparing the two and Gholston is on his way to being a colossol bust. So I think the thinking was to put another big body to build around up front, which is what they did in New England (look I'm not chanting the Patriots way either, so spare me the sarcasm).

**DeezNutz** · 01-02-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I think that Tyson was put in a bad spot from a draft perspective. I think he will eventually pan out and be a very good player, but it's going to be next to impossible for him to live up to being the #3 overall player unless he becomes the next Richard Seymour (what RS was in his prime).

I don't blame Jackson for that, and I don't really blame the front office (I know some will have a shit fit about that but I don't). We tried to trade down and couldn't find any takers. The only guy that in hindsight would have been worth it was Orakpo. And I think what hurt him was ****ing Vernon Gholston because everyone kept comparing the two and Gholston is on his way to being a colossol bust. So I think the thinking was to put another big body to build around up front, which is what they did in New England (look I'm not chanting the Patriots way either, so spare me the sarcasm).

Some blame has to go to the FO, however, because the contract talk surrounding Cassel is what ****ed the trade-down possibilities.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Some blame has to go to the FO, however, because the contract talk surrounding Cassel is what ****ed the trade-down possibilities.

I said this before we even picked last year, but I think the real problem was that we had our highest pick in years in what may have been the worst draft in years in which to have a high draft pick. It was just pathetic at the top, and the reality is that we were all debating for months about guys who went in the top-5 who'd have gone in the teens or twenties any other year.

Which doesn't mean the front office doesn't deserve shit if he's not a pro-bowl calibre guy by year 3. Their job is to make the best of the pick they have.

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:33 PM

I don't think it's Jackson's fault, he didn't ask the Chiefs to pick him, I have gone out of my way to not trash him.

He was a 10-20 type of prospect that got overdrafted, not his fault that's our FO's fault.

I guess the real hindsight here is if they wanted to do a reach pick to make us eat crow, Orakpo was the guy.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:33 PM

The thing I'm really curious to see is whether it's Jackson or Magee who ultimately ends up the nosetackle. Because I've suspected that's the direction they were going to eventually go the second they picked Magee.

(My guess is Magee)

**DeezNutz** · 01-02-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I said this before we even picked last year, but I think the real problem was that we had our highest pick in years in what may have been the worst draft in years in which to have a high draft pick. It was just pathetic at the top, and the reality is that we were all debating for months about guys who went in the top-5 who'd have gone in the teens or twenties any other year.

Which doesn't mean the front office doesn't deserve shit if he's not a pro-bowl calibre guy by year 3. Their job is to make the best of the pick they have.

We disagree about Sanchez, and that's fine, but if there's a legit threat that we might select him, you don't think that puts us in a much stronger, more valuable draft position?

We took a bad situation and made it worse, IMO.

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Some blame has to go to the FO, however, because the contract talk surrounding Cassel is what ****ed the trade-down possibilities.

Not really. No one wanted to trade up in this past draft. Detroit put out feelers for anyone that wanted to trade into the #1 spot and no one did. Everyone tried to trade out of the top 5 and no team wanted to trade up that high.

the fact is, with the absurd rookie contracts no one wants a top 5 pick anymore, so it's a rush to want to trade out of it now. And with this draft not having 3-4 real superstars it'll be another year of that.

wild1 · 01-02-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I think that Tyson was put in a bad spot from a draft perspective. I think he will eventually pan out and be a very good player, but it's going to be next to impossible for him to live up to being the #3 overall player unless he becomes the next Richard Seymour (what RS was in his prime).

I don't blame Jackson for that, and I don't really blame the front office (I know some will have a shit fit about that but I don't). We tried to trade down and couldn't find any takers. The only guy that in hindsight would have been worth it was Orakpo. And I think what hurt him was ****ing Vernon Gholston because everyone kept comparing the two and Gholston is on his way to being a colossol bust. So I think the thinking was to put another big body to build around up front, which is what they did in New England (look I'm not chanting the Patriots way either, so spare me the sarcasm).

It's going to be very hard for him to play well with a huge hole at DT

01-01-2010, 10:32 AM
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6315299	We are not taking a QB in the first round Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn. Just keep reading the title of this thread until it **ing sinks in. And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy. I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth. "He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are **ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it. Thank you and have a nice new years day.
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01-02-2010, 08:33 PM	#401
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	I don't think it's Jackson's fault, he didn't ask the Chiefs to pick him, I have gone out of my way to not trash him. He was a 10-20 type of prospect that got overdrafted, not his fault that's our FO's fault. I guess the real hindsight here is if they wanted to do a reach pick to make us eat crow, Orakpo was the guy.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The thing I'm really curious to see is whether it's Jackson or Magee who ultimately ends up the nosetackle. Because I've suspected that's the direction they were going to eventually go the second they picked Magee. (My guess is Magee)
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