Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Explain to me how you can see it any other way?

Last year he thought the OL would be just fine as is.

This year, he thinks the front 7 will be fine as is.

Nevermind that he used high picks on positions that he drafted just LAST YEAR.

More than likely, the results are going to be eerily similar.

The 2009 draft was an absolute disaster. There's no defending it. We reached for players and we took a bunch of players off poor due diligence. I don't think this implies AT ALL that they don't care about the front 7. It only means that at the picks we were sitting at, we thought the BPA was at another position. It's not like missing out on a NT or an OLB is going to kill our Super Bowl chances in 2009. We weren't making the playoffs no matter who we drafted.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well, something has to give.

The people defending the McCluster pick say he's always be on the field because we're going to be in a lot of 3-wide formations.

Those same people then defend the Moeaki pick by saying we're going to be in a lot of 2 TE formations.

Do the math.

There are people who are defending the TE pick? **** that. That pick was just stupid.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by milkman

Just shut up.

You're a ****ing hypocrite, and I got no ****ing use for hypocrites.

Absolutely priceless....

[tonyetony]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are most likely only three offensive downs per down (I'm not counting fourth down).

McCluster will most likely be on the field at minimum, two out of three of those downs, putting it at 67% of the snaps.

He'll likely see time on first down as well.

The bottom line is that the guy will be constantly be on the field.

There is also the off chance that Weis will install a wildcat formation and if it's successful he'll be on the field for at least 80% of the offensive snaps. Throw in kick returns, probably an average of 4 a game, and he's a guy we'll be seeing a lot of.

If he stays healthy and plays that many downs our team speed just improved drastically and every skill position on the field with him will benefit.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

If we're not putting up a lot of points, Pioli will look terrible.

In other news:

Did you make that post about Shaun Smith? I guess I will have to see it to believe it. Also I just don't think we are going to see any improvement with our linebackers they all pretty much suck ass except maybe Hali.

[Hammock Parties]

**** no. That guy is a moron.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The players you mentioned may or may not be three down players, putting them in the same boat as McCluster.

I think that McCluster, regardless of whether or not he "starts" (which is dependent on who the Chiefs are facing) will likely see 70% of the offensive snaps if not more.

And I said, being generous, if he sees more than 55% of snaps and is the kind of playmaker that he's projected to be, then that pick is a fine one.

But I have to see it.

I believe he has the ability, but I just don't see him playing that many snaps.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's not a defensible line of thinking. If anything, it's an admission of their incompetence and it could be seen as impugning the selection of Moeaki, not supporting it.

You are proving yourself to be a bombastic idiot. Getting the players you have rated highly and not worrying about a guy you have rated lower is incompetent? How does that line of thinking impugn the Moeaki selection? I believe this falls under the "go get him" part of the thinking.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Probably true but this is what a message board is for. After people really learned about this kid most people including myself think it was a good pick and are excited. This guy is probably more explosive than most of the WR's in the NFL.

There, fixed it for ya.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are most likely only three offensive downs per down (I'm not counting fourth down).

McCluster will most likely be on the field at minimum, two out of three of those downs, putting it at 67% of the snaps.

He'll likely see time on first down as well.

The bottom line is that the guy will be constantly be on the field.

How are going to get McCluster on the field on two of three downs, when you also have the people who are defending the Moeaki pick the most are telling us that Weis uses a lot of two tight end sets?

Hell, zilla, in the same thread, said that McCluster would be an every down player at the same time he was telling us that Weis uses two tight end sets as one of his base formations.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are most likely only three offensive downs per down (I'm not counting fourth down).

McCluster will most likely be on the field at minimum, two out of three of those downs, putting it at 67% of the snaps.

He'll likely see time on first down as well.

The bottom line is that the guy will be constantly be on the field.

I just don't see it, personally. I mean 67% is way too high to be realistic IMO. Also 'constantly' I guess is subjective...but I see him as more of a situational player. 3rd downs, maybe some second & longs, and as a slot receiver...I just dont see it adding up to a 36th overall this season for this team...

I really hope I am wrong though. (I hope he has enough talent and durability to do more).

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by milkman

How are going to get McCluster on the field on two of three downs, when you also have the people who are defending the Moeaki pick the most are telling us that Weis uses a lot of two tight end sets?

Hell, zilla, in the same thread, said that McCluster would be an every down player at the same time he was telling us that Weis uses two tight end sets as one of his base formations.

We call that talking out of both sides of your mouth to defend anything, but this is why zilla has the Pioli ball washing gimmick, would you expect any less?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The 2009 draft was an absolute disaster. There's no defending it. We reached for players and we took a bunch of players off poor due diligence. I don't think this implies AT ALL that they don't care about the front 7. It only means that at the picks we were sitting at, we thought the BPA was at another position. It's not like missing out on a NT or an OLB is going to kill our Super Bowl chances in 2009. We weren't making the playoffs no matter who we drafted.

When borderline R1 talent is staring you in the face at you're greatest position of need, and you pass, it absolutely implies that.

Their hope is that coaching alone turns chicken shit into chicken salad.

The offense (other than QB, which they aren't going to address) wasn't the problem last year, IMO.

We averaged 22 points a game after the bye week.

That's enough points to win regularly, provided your defense is ranked 22nd or better.

Even with the refusal to address the QB problem, the additions of TJ, Lilja and Asomoah alone would have improved the offense. Which means you could have been very competitive by just improving the defense a bit.

Taking some combination of Daryl Washington, Koa Misi, Everson Griffen, Sergio Kindle, Linval Joseph, Sean lee and Terrence Cody would have dramatically improved this defense for the long haul.

Instead, we surround the so-called Franchise QB with weapons, which he'll need to score the 30+ PPG necessary to win games in 2010.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

How are going to get McCluster on the field on two of three downs, when you also have the people who are defending the Moeaki pick the most are telling us that Weis uses a lot of two tight end sets?

As I stated earlier, there are essentially three downs in which a player can participate. I'd expect McCluster to play on two of those three downs, which equates to 67%. If there's a longer series, that number obviously changes. But I certainly expect him to be on the field consistently.

As for the two tight end sets, I would have to think that Moeaki would be involved as the starting tight end, considering Pope, Cottam and O'Connell all suck at blocking (and O'Connell apparently sucks at everything).

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by milkman

How are going to get McCluster on the field on two of three downs, when you also have the people who are defending the Moeaki pick the most are telling us that Weis uses a lot of two tight end sets?

Hell, zilla, in the same thread, said that McCluster would be an every down player at the same time he was telling us that Weis uses two tight end sets as one of his base formations.

Moeaki is going to be the only TE on the field. As long as he is healthy he is better than anything we currently have.