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Old 10-15-2012, 07:18 AM  
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Bill Maas on 610 said he expects Pioli fired this week
Said he expects unprecedented things.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:47 PM   #391
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:52 PM   #392
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Vermiel was 60 years old and 14 years removed from the NFL - and won a SB when he came back.

I'm not advocating hiring Marty as HC, I'm just pointing out the flaw in your argument.
I'm going to point out the flaw in YOUR argument:

Vermeil wasn't getting it done. His teams were 5-11 and 4-12. John Shaw hired Mike Martz and installed him as offensive coordinator. John Shaw signed Trent Green and drafted Tory Holt (he had signed Kurt Warner in 1998).

Shaw gave Vermeil one last chance and after the Rams won the Super Bowl (due to Martz and Warner), Vermeil was kicked to the curb.

Furthermore, Marty Schottenheimer would have taken an NFL job in a ****ing HEARTBEAT in the past 6 years. Vermeil CHOSE not to coach in the NFL.

The situations could not be MORE different.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:53 PM   #393
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I did say Figurehead...
Come on, Dave. You're better than that.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:59 PM   #394
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Come on, Dave. You're better than that.
I never said I wanted Marty back in ANY fashion.

However, a figurehead is just a title.

Its a PR move.

Marty would never accept a position like this anyway.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:59 PM   #395
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I'm going to point out the flaw in YOUR argument:

Vermeil wasn't getting it done. His teams were 5-11 and 4-12. John Shaw hired Mike Martz and installed him as offensive coordinator. John Shaw signed Trent Green and drafted Tory Holt (he had signed Kurt Warner in 1998).

Shaw gave Vermeil one last chance and after the Rams won the Super Bowl (due to Martz and Warner), Vermeil was kicked to the curb.

Furthermore, Marty Schottenheimer would have taken an NFL job in a ****ing HEARTBEAT in the past 6 years. Vermeil CHOSE not to coach in the NFL.

The situations could not be MORE different.
You must work in PR, because you definitely know how to spin.
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You must work in PR, because you definitely know how to spin.
That's not spin.

That is what actually happened.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:02 PM   #397
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You must work in PR, because you definitely know how to spin.
Spin?

Please point of where Vermeil coached in any other league other than the NFL. He wanted NO PART of coaching and was happy broadcasting.

Marty has been so desperate to coach that he spent two seasons in the bankrupt UFL! No one in the NFL wanted a ****ing thing to do with the guy since he was fired in 2006.

That's not spin. Those are facts.

"Spin" would be ignoring the facts to make a point.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:03 PM   #398
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:04 PM   #399
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I never said I wanted Marty back in ANY fashion.

However, a figurehead is just a title.

Its a PR move.

Marty would never accept a position like this anyway.
The Chiefs don't need this type of "P.R.". They need a first round QB and winning team.

And don't fool yourself: Marty would take the position of team president in a ****ing heartbeat.

Three words: United Football League.
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And don't fool yourself: Marty would take the position of team president in a ****ing heartbeat.
Not if it were just a Figurehead position.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:07 PM   #401
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The Chiefs don't need this type of "P.R.". They need a first round QB and winning team.
Hear hear.
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Not if it were just a Figurehead position.
There is no point to a figurehead position.
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Not if it were just a Figurehead position.
What does this even mean?

Marty would greet fans as they enter the stadium?

If so, yeah, he's probably qualified for that, although I personally wouldn't want him around due to his bad karma.
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What does this even mean?

Marty would greet fans as they enter the stadium?

If so, yeah, he's probably qualified for that, although I personally wouldn't want him around due to his bad karma.
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Marty's "consulting" resulted in Pioli in 2009. Furthermore, Marty would just hire Kurt to coach the team or his son. The guy exudes nepotism.

**** him and **** you.
Marty's desperation proves my point. Nobody's knocking on his door. And it doesn't matter anyway because the Chiefs, not Marty, decides if he's going to be a long-term GM. And Clark Hunt, a young guy, isn't about to make a desperation move for a guy who will be 70.

And nobody is suggesting Schottenheimer pick his coach. I am suggesting he run the scouting operation and help Hunt make a better decision on the next GM. For one year. Where did you see the story that Schottenheimer consulted Hunt to sign Pioli? Do you really think it makes sense that Schottenheimer, after getting into fistfights with AJ Smith, would have consulted Pioli to take a GM with a notorious reputation for being a tyrant? C'mon, man.
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