Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter offense"

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From NFLNetwork byline:

QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

So Harbaugh's schemes actually held Alex back?

Who knows. Lets see what he does under Reid's schemes.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Like most of the NFL is doing? Pete Carroll is a retread and seems to be working out pretty good in Seattle.

Kind of difficult to compare Carroll to Reid. Carrol spent a decade coaching in the NCAA, outside of the regular NFL circle, and his worst year with the Patriots was a .500 season.

Reid, on the other hand, sports a 66-61 record since 2005, including two losing seasons and two .500 seasons, to balance four seasons with 9 or more wins. The last two years in Philadelphia were an unmitigated disaster. Sorry I don't see a reason to be wildly optimistic about that.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Let's not kid ourselves, Pete Carroll went to one of the elite CFB schools and built a winner in Southern California. It is not like he went to KU and built a national power. I am not sure how much that humbled him. Reid built a power in Philly, an NFL team. The last few years weren't so good as the burden of being GM and HC became too much. He is a damn fine coach and a very, very good retread.

Dude, it's not like the PAC isn't complete ****ing garbages outside of Oregon...

And frankly, I don't remember Philly winning a bunch of Superbowls in Reid's prime. Did I miss something?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

200 YPG does not equal effectively in the modern NFL.

Baseball has a Mendoza line. Maybe NFL needs a "Cassel line".

It's amazing how similar these conversations are. And no, I'm not equating Smith to Cassel. But it's like deja vu all over again in a lot of ways.

I've said it before: when you have to try so very hard to prove a guy is even average, you're probably in trouble.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Dude, it's not like the PAC isn't complete ****ing garbages outside of Oregon...

And frankly, I don't remember Philly winning a bunch of Superbowls in Reid's prime. Did I miss something?

Garbage or not, they still had to play someone good to win a NC. And to think that the PAC being garbage somehow minimized how good those teams were is just plain silly. A good number of those teams were dominant and would have been dominant regardless of the conference they played in.

Yet they were consistently in the NFCCG and did make one SB. How many other coaches out there can state that? Not many.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Garbage or not, they still had to play someone good to win a NC. And to think that the PAC being garbage somehow minimized how good those teams were is just plain silly. A good number of those teams were dominant and would have been dominant regardless of the conference they played in.

Yet they were consistently in the NFCCG and did make one SB. How many other coaches out there can state that? Not many.

Okay, so you agree that Carroll did balls-out at USC and is doing so in the pros. Glad we got that cleared up.

As to your second point, all I can think of is poor Marv Levy.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Who knows.

The intellectual dishonesty among Alex Smith fans is criminal.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Okay, so you agree that Carroll did balls-out at USC and is doing so in the pros. Glad we got that cleared up.

As to your second point, all I can think of is poor Marv Levy.

EDIT: and the end result is the same: LOSER.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Baseball has a Mendoza line. Maybe NFL needs a "Cassel line".

It's amazing how similar these conversations are. And no, I'm not equating Smith to Cassel. But it's like deja vu all over again in a lot of ways.

I've said it before: when you have to try so very hard to prove a guy is even average, you're probably in trouble.

All I am saying is give him a chance in Reid's offense, nothing more. Some on here have already passed judgement and have gone full chicken little because we have him as our QB. If he fails, then try again with someone else. In the minds of a QB guru and a guy known for his ability to scout talent he was better than anyone available this year in the draft.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Hope in one hand....you know the rest.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Okay, so you agree that Carroll did balls-out at USC and is doing so in the pros. Glad we got that cleared up.

As to your second point, all I can think of is poor Marv Levy.

So far Jim Harbaugh has done nothing more than Reid. Would you pass on him if he were available? And if you could pick your HC who would it be and why?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

The intellectual dishonesty among Alex Smith fans is criminal.

As if what you have to say is so much more refreshing. No one here has anointed him the next Brady, most are just saying give him a chance considering he was the best available this year.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by tredadda

All I am saying is give him a chance in Reid's offense, nothing more.

I am. Never said otherwise. I just don't like the trade. Maybe he'll be fine. I suspect he'll be a middle of the pack QB at his best.

In the minds of a QB guru and a guy known for his ability to scout talent he was better than anyone available this year in the draft.

That's impossible to say. I believe that they made their decision on Alex Smith in January, before they even evaluated the QB class.

But that's really a separate issue. It doesn't have anything to do with the quarterbacks in the draft. I believe there were veteran QBs available for free who would have given the team the same sort of results that Smith will. But he's an easier sell to the fanbase. So why not overpay if it will boost season ticket sales.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I am. Never said otherwise. I just don't like the trade. Maybe he'll be fine. I suspect he'll be a middle of the pack QB at his best.That's impossible to say. I believe that they made their decision on Alex Smith in January, before they even evaluated the QB class.

But that's really a separate issue. It doesn't have anything to do with the quarterbacks in the draft. I believe there were veteran QBs available for free who would have given the team the same sort of results that Smith will. But he's an easier sell to the fanbase.

You could be correct, only time will tell. Let's let the season play out first though.

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Well let's see if that continues this year before anointing him as a failure here. The offensive schemes he played in in SF could have been a large reason for that.

They were. Some people want to overlook a few things here, because to look at them would put a dent in their agenda.

Our next new offense began in 2011, obviously, when Harbaugh and Greg Roman joined up. It took a long time for all of the offensive players to get on the same page. Alex received the playbook first, so that he could teach the others the basics until the lockout ended. He learned what he needed to early on, but it took a lot of time for others to figure shit out. That much is well documented.

On top of that, Roman was building up the playbook on the fly. So there was a lot of trial and error in seeing what worked and what didn't. When new management comes in, defenses and offensive running games are the quickest and easiest to pick up. Then comes the short pass game.

We learned in 2011 that, quite frankly, we didn't have good receivers for the deep pass game. Running the seam and wheel-routes to the TEs was generally the best we could do.

Add to that, our pass protection was a mess. We had a bottom 5 center and right guard... and Anthony Davis was pretty crappy still at blocking edge rushers. So we needed to stick with the short pass game. Harbaugh was building a winner, but was very conservative in doing so. He wanted to lean on mistake-free football above all else. Who wouldn't with a good defense and special teams?

Is Alex limited? Eh... if compared to some of the freakish QBs emerging in the league. He can make all the throws though, and is fairly athletic himself. Andy Reid wouldn't have given up that much if he agreed with others here in that Alex is mediocre at best. I think many people know he is good... but they also feel (and have a point) that he isn't exciting. And these days, the fantasy football kiddies want the big plays and dynamic ball-chucking.

There are a lot of valid reasons for why our offensive numbers were not eye-popping. Still though, it was some impressive efficiency happening despite the aforementioned issues.