Chiefs LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"? - Page 27

**BossChief** · 01-16-2015, 10:40 PM

Part of me wants to think so.

We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager.

Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality.

His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit.

Here's my question:

If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)?

If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?

**cdcox** · 01-18-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

So then they are doing their job and shouldn't be ranked so poorly as individuals.

PFF has contradicted themselves yet again.

If you define keeping the QB clean for 2.5 seconds as doing their job. A team could manage to do that and still have members of the OL that were poor.

The argument was that Alex Smith has a right to be gun shy. Since he isn't getting wacked in the first 2.5 seconds any more than any other NFL starter (in fact less than most) it does not seem that he should be gun shy. That is the whole argument.

NJChiefsFan · 01-18-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't mind the "bend but don't break" philosophy that Sutton employed in defending the run. They were the best against allowing rushing TD's as well as the amazing job they did against the pass.

Agreed. Win the redzone and your team will be a very good scoring defense. As you said, when they needed to stop the run to prevent TD's, they did it.

RunKC · 01-18-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

If you define keeping the QB clean for 2.5 seconds as doing their job. A team could manage to do that and still have members of the OL that were poor.

The argument was that Alex Smith has a right to be gun shy. Since he isn't getting wacked in the first 2.5 seconds any more than any other NFL starter (in fact less than most) it does not seem that he should be gun shy. That is the whole argument.

He got hit late by Von Miller and then destroyed by a Steelers player. The offense got the ball out so quickly most of the time this season.

You can't possibly say this OL did a good job giving the QB any time. The NE, OAK and SEA games they did a good job. The rest was definitely below average.

Why don't you watch the Denver game at Arrowhead and see what I'm talking about.

RunKC · 01-18-2015, 03:54 PM

Also, how much of the scheming was a factor here?

Jet sweep fakes, read option fake to passes, etc. Those freeze the defense for at least a second.

This OL was not good at all, particularly at G. Just a good job by Reid to find some way to hide it.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-18-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Piece of shit, huh?

Like the 2013 season?

With Smith, we've had the first back to back winning seasons since '97 (after enduring one of the worst seasons of any team in NFL history), and you think that hasn't been worth two lousy second round picks?

You are wearing stupid like a cheap suit.

Those are "winning seasons"?

Welp, okay then.

**Baby Lee** · 01-18-2015, 04:04 PM

Does anyone else see these threads and to this still wonder 'why all the talk about Low Noise Bandpass filters?'

ViperVisor · 01-18-2015, 04:15 PM

OL sucked.

And pressure from the outside is different from the middle.
That was what a lot of the pressure was. Guards getting beat or Fisher beat to the inside. QBs can set up and then step up in the pocket as a rusher turns the corner with an outside rush. Up the middle and a QB is usually screwed.

Another way to illustrate the OL suck is seeing Jamaal having to use wizardry to gain yards. No magic and you look like Trent Richardson behind this line.

Reid and co. schemed the offense to hell and back because the crew up front was dog doo and it mostly worked out alright. Scoring and key conversions were in the top half of the NFL.

**BossChief** · 01-18-2015, 07:25 PM

The OL was fine the first half of the year and then seemingly got really bad overnight.

I think it's clear as day that a big part of that was Alex Smith refusing to take advantage of the deeper throws when they were available. Made safeties refuse to respect our ability to throw the ball past 10 yards...so they could crowd the line and shut down the run while also eliminating most YAC. Teams were able to blitz a little more against us to create more pressure and that put a lot more pressure on the OL...especially when Andy wanted to call a more pass happy attack to counter teams stacking to stop the run.

TEX · 01-18-2015, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The OL was fine the first half of the year and then seemingly got really bad overnight.

I think it's clear as day that a big part of that was Alex Smith refusing to take advantage of the deeper throws when they were available. Made safeties refuse to respect our ability to throw the ball past 10 yards...so they could crowd the line and shut down the run while also eliminating most YAC. Teams were able to blitz a little more against us to create more pressure and that put a lot more pressure on the OL...especially when Andy wanted to call a more pass happy attack to counter teams stacking to stop the run.

The OL was never fine. It was always below average and got worse over night. It negatively effected all of the offense.

smith11 · 01-19-2015, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The OL was fine the first half of the year and then seemingly got really bad overnight.

I think it's clear as day that a big part of that was Alex Smith refusing to take advantage of the deeper throws when they were available. Made safeties refuse to respect our ability to throw the ball past 10 yards...so they could crowd the line and shut down the run while also eliminating most YAC. Teams were able to blitz a little more against us to create more pressure and that put a lot more pressure on the OL...especially when Andy wanted to call a more pass happy attack to counter teams stacking to stop the run.

deeper throws were available? I guess I missed Dwayne Bowe running by those corners

ThaVirus · 01-19-2015, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by smith11

deeper throws were available? I guess I missed Dwayne Bowe running by those corners

So did Alex.

splatbass · 01-19-2015, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Those are "winning seasons"?

Welp, okay then.

Yes, winning more games than you lose is the definition of "winning season". When people say winning season that is what they are talking about.

smith11 · 01-19-2015, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So did Alex.

cant miss what isn't there

ThaVirus · 01-19-2015, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by smith11

cant miss what isn't there

Hmm. So you're one of the "our receivers are never open" guys, eh?

Discuss Thrower · 01-19-2015, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hmm. So you're one of the "our receivers are never open" guys, eh?

I really should have collated all of Sorter's All-22 breakdowns of last year's games.. Might be the only way to vanquish these idiots.

01-16-2015, 10:40 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"? Part of me wants to think so. We saw flashes in 2013 of him testing defenses downfield and being a lot more than a game manager. Then his OL got severely downgraded through 3 big losses in free agency (all 3 got overpaid) and his 2 guards weren't even nfl quality, let alone starter quality. His receivers needed a major upgrade last offseason (they were an obvious team weakness) and other than adding Jason Avant late in the year and developing a promising rookie in Albert Wilson...not a whole lot was done to help provide Alex Smith with adequate weapons. Losing Avery to injury further weakened an already subpar unit. Here's my question: If they improve the OL and receivers...will we see Alex Smith come out of his shell again (like we saw flashes of in the second half of 2013)? If he does, how far can this team go if the defense plays like it has and Dee Ford steps into Hali's shoes adequately?
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01-18-2015, 04:15 PM	#397
ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	OL sucked. And pressure from the outside is different from the middle. That was what a lot of the pressure was. Guards getting beat or Fisher beat to the inside. QBs can set up and then step up in the pocket as a rusher turns the corner with an outside rush. Up the middle and a QB is usually screwed. Another way to illustrate the OL suck is seeing Jamaal having to use wizardry to gain yards. No magic and you look like Trent Richardson behind this line. Reid and co. schemed the offense to hell and back because the crew up front was dog doo and it mostly worked out alright. Scoring and key conversions were in the top half of the NFL.
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01-18-2015, 07:25 PM	#398
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	The OL was fine the first half of the year and then seemingly got really bad overnight. I think it's clear as day that a big part of that was Alex Smith refusing to take advantage of the deeper throws when they were available. Made safeties refuse to respect our ability to throw the ball past 10 yards...so they could crowd the line and shut down the run while also eliminating most YAC. Teams were able to blitz a little more against us to create more pressure and that put a lot more pressure on the OL...especially when Andy wanted to call a more pass happy attack to counter teams stacking to stop the run. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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