Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They have given up 40 or more points 3 times in the last 2 postseasons.

And you're comparing that to the Seahawks defense?

I literally just showed you how the two ultimately weren't so different in 2 of the 3 postseasons.

The one difference was 2013 when the Seahawks defense gave up an average of 13 PPG.

[Hootie]

I want it to be clear I consider the elite NFL QB's to be Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. (I am not counting Brady/Manning anymore even though they're still the best until proven otherwise).

That said, Aaron was ok, at best, in the NFCCG. Andrew was ****ing terrible. I think it's hilarious Aaron gets a pass for the 4th quarter in the NFCCG and people then want to turn around and shit on Russell Wilson's 4th quarter in the Super Bowl. Wilson was actually pretty good in the 4th quarter, he just got royally ****ed. One, on a clear as day DPI where Butler tripped a guy Wilson had streaking wide open for what would have probably been a 40+ yard gain (if not a TD with 1 move) on what probably would have been the final dagger. Then, they inexplicably called a ****ing pick play pass on 2nd and Goal from the 1 after Wilson had them 1 yard from winning 2 straight championships.

Yet ... out of all the great postseason games he has played ... the only two being referenced are his 108 yard game against New Orleans in a total shit weather game where Seattle NEVER ONCE had anything to worry about. They were up 16-0 at half. That was a "we're not going to lose so let's not force anything" game. Plain and simple. And his 4 INT game, where all of those picks were thrown to Jermaine Kearse, who was responsible for 2 of those, and had Russell go on long TD drives 3 times, in a row, to win a game in which most QB's would have folded due to the aforementioned 4 INT's. And not only that, he did it on the first drive of OT ... where he checked into a deep pass ... and threw it to Jermaine Kearse.

Oh and then the 2nd and 1 INT in the Super Bowl (cuz that was such a terrible play by Wilson, apparently).

It's ****ing ridiculous.

But hey, it's CP.

Andrew and Aaron do no wrong.

Wilson and Peyton get shit on.

Got it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That's based on an unhealthy obsession with physical measurements and potential.

To date, Russell Wilson has been the better QB.

I couldn't disagree more

[Discuss Thrower]

Two first round picks for Wilson is a steal. Any franchise that won't pull that trigger deserves misery.

[Hootie]

this website has preached postseason play as the "be all, end all" of determining how good a QB is ...

Russell Wilson has been a better postseason QB than anyone for 3 years in a row, now ... minus, perhaps, Tom Brady last year. Hell, I'll even say Tom was better than Russell last year.

Russell has been the best postseason QB 2 out of 3 years and 2nd best that 3rd year.

The 2 games he has lost were games in which he displayed nothing but clutch play. His 2nd half against Atlanta was LEGENDARY. He had the game WON against New England. Plain and simple. He won that ****ing game. He posted a 92.2 QBR. It was his ... and then the play call. Worst play call in the history of the NFL.

And those are his two losses.

1) Best half I've ever seen from a QB ... scores game winning TD ... Seattle's VAUNTED defense let's Matt Ryan complete two ridiculous passes and Bryant nails a 50 yarder to win.

2) Worst play call in the history of the NFL.

6-2

BUT HEY

Let's talk about a blowout game against New Orleans where Drew Brees was shut out because Drew Brees is pretty overrated (why do Peyton and Tom always win their division while Drew misses the playoffs consistently?) and throwing 4 INT's in another one that he ends up playing the most clutch 5 minutes in the history of the NFL to advance his team to a Super Bowl.

but

let's ignore 12-33 in the AFCCG from Andrew Luck because apparently it's him and 52 guys off the street

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I want it to be clear I consider the elite NFL QB's to be Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson. (I am not counting Brady/Manning anymore even though they're still the best until proven otherwise).

How the **** can you not have Big Ben or Drew Brees on this list?

[DaneMcCloud]

Does Russell Wilson deserve to get between $17-$20 million per year? Yes.

Does Russell Wilson deserve to be paid as the highest QB in the league or on par with Andrew Luck?

No.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Glad the morons have been shamed enough to make this a close vote.

[Bowser]

Fantasy football has ruined expectations of what the modern football fan looks for. If a QB doesn't consistently lead his team to a 14-2 regular season record, win at least two postseason games, throw for 5,500 yards and 45+ TD's a year, then that QB isn't "worth the price" or "worth the risk". If a QB plays on a team with a defense that is continuously a top 5 defense and isn't asked to do much, then he is just along for the ride and isn't "worth the price". It's crazy to me. I'm not sure what more Wilson has to do before he is seen as a great QB in this league.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by RunKC

How the **** can you not have Big Ben or Drew Brees on this list?

They are both in my tier 2.

I want to know why Peyton and Tom win their divisions every year, no matter what ... but Brees can't? Against Atlanta, Carolina and Tampa? I think he's a stat whore that throws too many mistakes.

He's clearly a top 10 QB but I don't have him in my top 5.

1 year only :

1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Wilson
4. P. Manning
5. Luck
6. Ben
7. Romo
8. Drew
9. Eli
10. Rivers

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

this website has preached postseason play as the "be all, end all" of determining how good a QB is ...

Russell Wilson has been a better postseason QB than anyone for 3 years in a row, now ... minus, perhaps, Tom Brady last year. Hell, I'll even say Tom was better than Russell last year.

Russell has been the best postseason QB 2 out of 3 years and 2nd best that 3rd year.

The 2 games he has lost were games in which he displayed nothing but clutch play. His 2nd half against Atlanta was LEGENDARY. He had the game WON against New England. Plain and simple. He won that ****ing game. He posted a 92.2 QBR. It was his ... and then the play call. Worst play call in the history of the NFL.

And those are his two losses.

1) Best half I've ever seen from a QB ... scores game winning TD ... Seattle's VAUNTED defense let's Matt Ryan complete two ridiculous passes and Bryant nails a 50 yarder to win.

2) Worst play call in the history of the NFL.

6-2

BUT HEY

Let's talk about a blowout game against New Orleans where Drew Brees was shut out because Drew Brees is pretty overrated (why do Peyton and Tom always win their division while Drew misses the playoffs consistently?) and throwing 4 INT's in another one that he ends up playing the most clutch 5 minutes in the history of the NFL to advance his team to a Super Bowl.

but

let's ignore 12-33 in the AFCCG from Andrew Luck because apparently it's him and 52 guys off the street

Nobody will take this seriously because of Hoot's past takes on this board, but this is 100% correct.

What's Luck's excuse for not winning in the postseason? He's the greatest QB prospect since Peyton and has had receivers whom pretty much everyone on this board would note as marked improvements than what KC has trotted out over the last three seasons.

[Bowser]

I'll admit I laughed when I saw Hog Farmer voted no, but yet was tugging Manziel like he was one of his prized boars, lol.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Luck has had 2 complete turd games in the playoffs out of 6 tries.

12/33 126 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs
28/54 288 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT

Yes, I'm not here to sing Luck's praises. I think he is still a work in progress. I do note that his team has been pretty light on talent so far in his career. We'll see if things get better now that they got some big FA signings on offense (assuming they stay healthy, which is no given).

Right now I honestly wouldn't really put Wilson ahead of Luck, or vice versa, for lack of data more than anything. Neither has a HOF resume as yet, let's put it that way.

[Hootie]

I struggle to see where my takes have been bad? Because I argued Tom Brady's playoff record doesn't necessarily mean he's the best QB ... and that maybe his team was the best team?

OH MY GOD WAIT !!

so now Russell Wilson's 6-2 doesn't mean a thing because he's just on a great team

INTERESTING

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'll admit I laughed when I saw Hog Farmer voted no, but yet was tugging Manziel like he was one of his prized boars, lol.

I think it's funny that people still think Hog Farmer was serious about Manziel. That was just a great troll job. He's such an underrated poster