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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 11-12-2015, 04:28 PM   #391
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$200MM payroll? Sounds legit
Royals could do that with 150/160.
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Old 11-12-2015, 04:49 PM   #392
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Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game. Basically $40m extra.

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:11 PM   #393
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:12 PM   #394
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Season ticket sales should be off the hook next year, and they'll probably raise prices significantly - which no one will mind if they somehow keep Gordon and Zobrist.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:22 PM   #395
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Looks like Rany agrees with me that we should sell out for the next couple years.








Rany? As in "Dayton Moore should be fired for trading Wil Meyers" Jazayerli?

That Rany?

Rany is an excellent writer and a knowledgeable Royals fan. But he's not really that good at evaluating talent. Remember how he used to idolize Kila Ka'aihue?
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:25 PM   #396
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This isn't really about evaluating talent. It's about whether we should sell out the future to be good for 2 more years. No one thinks Gordon or Zobrist is going to decline significantly in the next 2 years.

Rany disapproved of the Shields/Myers trade because he didn't think we'd be good enough to compete by 2014. He was dead wrong on that.

I doubt anyone on either side of the debate thinks we won't be good enough to compete next year. So it's really more about priorities.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:31 PM   #397
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This isn't really about evaluating talent. It's about whether we should sell out the future to be good for 2 more years. No one thinks Gordon or Zobrist is going to decline significantly in the next 2 years.
I guess I don't want them to completely strip the farm system and have this team lose 100 games in 2018 and beyond. Dayton Moore's philosophy is to build a strong farm system with a continuous pipeline of talent to the major leagues. I trust the process.

I want to have my cake and eat it too. I think they can sign Zobrist for sure, and hopefully Gordon. If they do that, they've got a pretty good team. No need to trade away ALL of the prospects.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:34 PM   #398
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Yeah well we've seen how well the "let's be indefinitely mediocre and hope everyone has a career year at the same time" strategy has worked for the Chiefs.
I would rather be good every year & maybe happen to luck into something, than to suck for 3 decades like the Royals did. It's great to win World Series, but 30 years of just bottom of the barrel garbage is too much to stomach again. Many of you don't know how it feels, but I was a die hard Royals fan since I was a little kid. I was born in 1984, and until last year, I had not known in my cognitive memory a Royals team that was any good.
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I must be missing something. Miami (28) and Houston (30) had two of the three lowest revenue totals last year. Of course they're "small market" as we know the term In baseball. If that term bothers you then use small revenue. Same ultimate message: they're broke.

Royals were 16 by the way at $231m vs Hou at $175m
Dumb. They aren't small market.
If they were low revenue last year, it is because the they had low attendance due to the teams not being good, especially Houston, and they probably have old TV deals.
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