***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did Missouri subtract some cases yesterday or something?

TLO said he had heard where there was a big backlog that was supposed to be done with by this weekend?

Yes this is correct. My understanding is that cases are still backlogged, so we're not getting a true representation of cases per day right now.

In a bit of other news, it appears that Missouri hospitalizations have dipped a bit.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes this is correct. My understanding is that cases are still backlogged, so we're not getting a true representation of cases per day right now.

In a bit of other news, it appears that Missouri hospitalizations have dipped a bit.

When are they supposed to be all done wiht the backlog?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Can someone please round up Hamas to come talk to us about some of these recent studies?

Umm you do know that o.city is about 10x more qualified to speak on this subject right? Sorry that he doesn't talk down to you enough to prove that.

Jesus.

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[O.city]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Umm you do know that o.city is about 10x more qualified to speak on this subject right? Sorry that he doesn't talk down to you enough to prove that.

Jesus.

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I appreciate it, but nah. I'm not near on Hamas level in terms of any of the research stuff. I know what some of the big words are and I read alot. Thats about it.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

I appreciate it, but nah. I'm not near on Hamas level in terms of any of the research stuff. I know what some of the big words are and I read alot. Thats about it.

But unlike Hamas you haven't made baseless arrogant claims that have now been shown to be unequivocally wrong... in this very thread.

And yes your academic background is far more suited to this than some random pharmacist.

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[O.city]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

But unlike Hamas you haven't made baseless arrogant claims that have now been shown to be unequivocally wrong... in this very thread.

And yes your academic background is far more suited to this than some random pharmacist.

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Eh, I'm not as bombastic as Hamas maybe, but i've had my fair share of **** ups in this thread.

Again, I just read as much as i can.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

But unlike Hamas you haven't made baseless arrogant claims that have now been shown to be unequivocally wrong... in this very thread.

And yes your academic background is far more suited to this than some random pharmacist.

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Just curious what those claims are? Not defending him though.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, I'm not as bombastic as Hamas maybe, but i've had my fair share of **** ups in this thread.

Again, I just read as much as i can.

Yea but you don't mind changing your stance on things based on what you read.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

When are they supposed to be all done wiht the backlog?

Friday was the best estimate

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

People have kinda lost their minds in terms of risks and years lost etc. I don't think it'll get to measles levels of suppression. We don't have the stomach to do it for the flu, so essentially if we get it down to that level, we should be ok?

We will run into the same issue with the Covid vaccine where the anti-vaxxers won't want it but schools and possibly employers could make you take it which will drive up the numbers of people who get vaccinated.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Just curious what those claims are? Not defending him though.

There are a few but I particularly remember him calling me a liar for stating that there were studies estimating the fatality rate in the .3 to .6 range... which of course is now pretty well accepted. I'd have to check the specifics but that was the gist of it at least.

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[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea but you don't mind changing your stance on things based on what you read.

I had a really good bioethics professor that was big on that, especially in these scenarios.

I tend to have problems changing to quick and not fully evaling the info i'm looking at to be honest though, so again, I just try and soak up as much info as i can.

The biggest problem the general population has had with this whole ordeal is that in science and such, sometimes the answer is "****, we don't really know, we think it's this, based on waht we know now, but that could change". That just doesn't fit in today's world of instantaneous supposed knowledge.

This shit takes time. The fact that we've got where we are this fast to be honest is god damn amazing.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, I'm not as bombastic as Hamas maybe, but i've had my fair share of **** ups in this thread.

Again, I just read as much as i can.

Your contributions to the thread are noted and appreciated.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I had a really good bioethics professor that was big on that, especially in these scenarios.

I tend to have problems changing to quick and not fully evaling the info i'm looking at to be honest though, so again, I just try and soak up as much info as i can.

The biggest problem the general population has had with this whole ordeal is that in science and such, sometimes the answer is "****, we don't really know, we think it's this, based on waht we know now, but that could change". That just doesn't fit in today's world of instantaneous supposed knowledge.

This shit takes time. The fact that we've got where we are this fast to be honest is god damn amazing.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

We will run into the same issue with the Covid vaccine where the anti-vaxxers won't want it but schools and possibly employers could make you take it which will drive up the numbers of people who get vaccinated.

Yeah, people are idiots. That will always be true.

I actually talked to a couple friends today that are part of the phase III trials. No clue if they got placebo or the real thing though. I'm not sure if they're supposed to say they're in it or not though?