***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, people are idiots. That will always be true.

I actually talked to a couple friends today that are part of the phase III trials. No clue if they got placebo or the real thing though. I'm not sure if they're supposed to say they're in it or not though?

It is a little scary though taking a new vaccine so can't blame people for being overly cautious. With that being said...**** it I will take it now.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, people are idiots. That will always be true.

I actually talked to a couple friends today that are part of the phase III trials. No clue if they got placebo or the real thing though. I'm not sure if they're supposed to say they're in it or not though?

The vaccine will be big but effective therapeutics will be even bigger. And it seems that when you talk with medical professionals and other experts alike they all seem to coalesce around that.

Prevention is key but for various reasons it won't be effective for everyone, especially early on. Therefore we need effective ways to treat it that don't involve a trip to the hospital.

That being said I heard an epidemiologist on CNBC last week say the really effective vaccine is 5-10 years out because that's how long it takes to get something solid like say the flu vaccine.

This seems like common sense to me anyway. If you can prevent it great but we know people will get it and we have to remove the fear of what it means if you get it.

[petegz28]

TX and FL both over 200+ deaths today. Both seem to have peaked on cases a couple weeks ago though TX had a bit of a spike yesterday.

Hopefully we are seeing the peak in their deaths as well. If that is the case and that is what we are seeing then I'd say we never got close to the levels of deaths we feared we might see given the surge in cases. Lets hope that's the case.

CA is probably going to put us over 1,300+ deaths today I'm afraid.

[Halfcan]

A few observations on Mask wearing.

In my area- Jackson County- I was only seeing maybe 20% of the people wearing mask at stores. Now it is mandetory and for a few weeks now- most everyone had one, even if they were not wearing it properly.

Spent the day up in St. Joe this week. Did not see more than a handful wearing mask.

Got new tires today- and only 1 person, plus myself had a mask on out of 20 folks in and out.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

When are they supposed to be all done wiht the backlog?

I'm not buying that excuse.

Today was over 1900...

I know 7 people in 5 counties that have been tested since last Thursday and they all have gotten their results already. I think they are bullshitting us.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Eh, I'm not as bombastic as Hamas maybe, but i've had my fair share of **** ups in this thread.

Again, I just read as much as i can.

All of this is exactly what makes you superior.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Umm you do know that o.city is about 10x more qualified to speak on this subject right? Sorry that he doesn't talk down to you enough to prove that.

Jesus.

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What were you saying about talking down to people?

I don't give a shit about Hamas' tone. He seems to know what he's taking about when it comes to some very specific medical issues. He seems to be pretty clear when he gets into a subject he doesn't know about.

Originally Posted by O.city

I appreciate it, but nah. I'm not near on Hamas level in terms of any of the research stuff. I know what some of the big words are and I read alot. Thats about it.

AC have you ever even slightly modified your initial opinion on any subject based on new information - in the history of this forum? All I ever see is you endlessly going back and forth and refusing to ever budge an inch, even when it becomes pretty obvious you're in the wrong, all with the same haughty condescension that no one else on the forum knows what they're talking about but you. Donger is the only one I've ever seen who can outlast you. I feel like you vs. Donger is going to make the universe implode someday.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

What were you saying about talking down to people?

I don't give a shit about Hamas' tone. He seems to know what he's taking about when it comes to some very specific medical issues. He seems to be pretty clear when he gets into a subject he doesn't know about.



AC have you ever even slightly modified your initial opinion on any subject based on new information - in the history of this forum? All I ever see is you endlessly going back and forth and refusing to ever budge an inch, even when it becomes pretty obvious you're in the wrong, all with the same haughty condescension that no one else on the forum knows what they're talking about but you. Donger is the only one I've ever seen who can outlast you. I feel like you vs. Donger is going to make the universe implode someday.

Hey!? What did I do?

[suzzer99]

You guys went round and round about something recently. It's the one time I'm like - this is going to be good. I also always think - man it's nice to be on donger's side for once - with his endless debate stamina.

If I get into it with you or AC I just make my point and bow out. As I will on this if he doesn't ban me.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

TX and FL both over 200+ deaths today. Both seem to have peaked on cases a couple weeks ago though TX had a bit of a spike yesterday.

Hopefully we are seeing the peak in their deaths as well. If that is the case and that is what we are seeing then I'd say we never got close to the levels of deaths we feared we might see given the surge in cases. Lets hope that's the case.

CA is probably going to put us over 1,300+ deaths today I'm afraid.

Texas changed reporting standards. Sites like worldmeters are WAY off for the last few days. Deaths in Texas are currently dropping.

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[Donger]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

You guys went round and round about something recently. It's the one time I'm like - this is going to be good. I also always think - man it's nice to be on donger's side for once - with his endless debate stamina.

If I get into it with you or AC I just make my point and bow out. As I will on this if he doesn't ban me.

Yes. It was about herders, or something. It's not my fault that he was wrong in whatever it was, and stubborn as a mule...



He actually left the discussion, so I don't know if he saw and admitted the light, or not.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

What were you saying about talking down to people?

I don't give a shit about Hamas' tone. He seems to know what he's taking about when it comes to some very specific medical issues. He seems to be pretty clear when he gets into a subject he doesn't know about.



AC have you ever even slightly modified your initial opinion on any subject based on new information - in the history of this forum? All I ever see is you endlessly going back and forth and refusing to ever budge an inch, even when it becomes pretty obvious you're in the wrong, all with the same haughty condescension that no one else on the forum knows what they're talking about but you. Donger is the only one I've ever seen who can outlast you. I feel like you vs. Donger is going to make the universe implode someday.

Please provide an example, like I did with Hamas. Or are you just spouting off with nothing to back your claims up... like you so always do. (See how easy it is to cast aspersions without corroboration)

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Texas changed reporting standards. Sites like worldmeters are WAY off for the last few days. Deaths in Texas are currently dropping.

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That's good to know.

[TLO]

I know a lot of you don't like this guy/gal, but I can verify the data in terms of Missouri. He/she does seem to have some knowledge.

Yes... The top ten states who will accumulate a bunch of cases and report them all in one day, and create a media sensation... pic.twitter.com/R3QsSBwKKz

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) July 29, 2020

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

I'm not buying that excuse.

Today was over 1900...

I know 7 people in 5 counties that have been tested since last Thursday and they all have gotten their results already. I think they are bullshitting us.

Mr. Sauto -

You are correct in saying that individuals will be notified of their test results relatively quickly. Dr. Williams said they contact local health departments within an hour of having a positive test reported. Not sure of the turn around on negative tests.

However the backlog comes into play due to the fact that they have so much data to enter, and up until a couple of days ago, a lack of man power to enter said data into the database. They are slogging through thousands if not tens of thousands of cases per day to enter into the system.