***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Why are we still here? Covid has been defeated. No one knows of course because the Drs that figured it out have been banned from social media.

It's over guys.

Normalize witchdoctors

[solidgold]

We're definitely going to make it through this. There's a lot of promise for both front-end prevention and back-end therapeutics (including what is not clinically proven and being abandoned)--several likely viable options for both areas. A strong case for some people to have pre-existing T Cell immunity responses, particularly from the CD4 variety. Also getting a better understanding of the biomarkers that can predict poorer outcomes (e.g., IL6 is a heavy contributor for the cytokine storms that cause the hallmark system failures for COVID-19). It's a marathon though...

What's really crazy is just how much this parallels the 1918 "influenza" outbreak. Sports cancelations, social distancing in workplaces, heightened hygiene procedures, arguing over masks, even down to outcomes for American Samoa and Western Samoa (one shut borders, one did not). We're right back to some of the same shit, just a different day. We'll likely stop doing all those extra things, just like the early 20s, and we'll hope to not need to repeat them again next time.

Ultimate outcome is likely the same as "Spanish Flu"--it settles into a seasonal endemic of some kind or other and we progressively adapt better to it (good old T cells, except for the fact they like to be less effective as we age and that likely means it will still be dangerous for older people and the very young) and be able to churn out some good medicines. Basically this will very likely become quite flu-like, but we're not there yet and have some more work to do and manage until then.

[suzzer99]

The euphoria when this is over is going to be amazing.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

200 million or so I think he saiid for us. The Oxford vaccine will be around 400 million for the US as well. We should have plenty if both work out

I'll take one.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Karens and anti-maskers get at the back of the line.

Half of them won't take it anyway. But they're gonna freak out when their kids can't get into school w/o a shot. They are going to absolutely lose their shit.

I would hope it’s more than just Karen’s and anti-maskers losing their shit in that scenario. There is not nearly enough scientific data to support making a vaccine mandatory for school age children at this point.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by solidgold

We're definitely going to make it through this. There's a lot of promise for both front-end prevention and back-end therapeutics (including what is not clinically proven and being abandoned)--several likely viable options for both areas. A strong case for some people to have pre-existing T Cell immunity responses, particularly from the CD4 variety. Also getting a better understanding of the biomarkers that can predict poorer outcomes (e.g., IL6 is a heavy contributor for the cytokine storms that cause the hallmark system failures for COVID-19). It's a marathon though...

What's really crazy is just how much this parallels the 1918 "influenza" outbreak. Sports cancelations, social distancing in workplaces, heightened hygiene procedures, arguing over masks, even down to outcomes for American Samoa and Western Samoa (one shut borders, one did not). We're right back to some of the same shit, just a different day. We'll likely stop doing all those extra things, just like the early 20s, and we'll hope to not need to repeat them again next time.

Ultimate outcome is likely the same as "Spanish Flu"--it settles into a seasonal endemic of some kind or other and we progressively adapt better to it (good old T cells, except for the fact they like to be less effective as we age and that likely means it will still be dangerous for older people and the very young) and be able to churn out some good medicines. Basically this will very likely become quite flu-like, but we're not there yet and have some more work to do and manage until then.

Good post But one difference we've seen is the types of people that are being effected by this virus compared to the the spanish flu. The median age of the spanish flu deaths was 28 years old. Now that's super interesting to me. And I'm not trying to be disingenuous towards the older crowd, but that thing was taking down fully healthy bodies which is super crazy. This is almost the reverse spanish flu.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Good post But one difference we've seen is the types of people that are being effected by this virus compared to the the spanish flu. The median age of the spanish flu deaths was 28 years old. Now that's super interesting to me. And I'm not trying to be disingenuous towards the older crowd, but that thing was taking down fully healthy bodies which is super crazy. This is almost the reverse spanish flu.

Being 28 in 1918 isn’t like being 28 today. Life expectancy back then was 36-46 so you were practically an old man.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by solidgold

We're definitely going to make it through this. There's a lot of promise for both front-end prevention and back-end therapeutics (including what is not clinically proven and being abandoned)--several likely viable options for both areas. A strong case for some people to have pre-existing T Cell immunity responses, particularly from the CD4 variety. Also getting a better understanding of the biomarkers that can predict poorer outcomes (e.g., IL6 is a heavy contributor for the cytokine storms that cause the hallmark system failures for COVID-19). It's a marathon though...

What's really crazy is just how much this parallels the 1918 "influenza" outbreak. Sports cancelations, social distancing in workplaces, heightened hygiene procedures, arguing over masks, even down to outcomes for American Samoa and Western Samoa (one shut borders, one did not). We're right back to some of the same shit, just a different day. We'll likely stop doing all those extra things, just like the early 20s, and we'll hope to not need to repeat them again next time.

Ultimate outcome is likely the same as "Spanish Flu"--it settles into a seasonal endemic of some kind or other and we progressively adapt better to it (good old T cells, except for the fact they like to be less effective as we age and that likely means it will still be dangerous for older people and the very young) and be able to churn out some good medicines. Basically this will very likely become quite flu-like, but we're not there yet and have some more work to do and manage until then.

Delusional.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

I would hope it’s more than just Karen’s and anti-maskers losing their shit in that scenario. There is not nearly enough scientific data to support making a vaccine mandatory for school age children at this point.

Well of course there isn't enough data. We don't even have a vaccine yet. But when we have one that passes clinical trials and everyone is taking it, I assume schools are going to require that kids have it, for the same reason Brazil required proof of a yellow fever shot.

Don't believe in vaccines? Fine. Home school your kids or find some crazy religious school that will take you.

I mean we're all supposed to be out there risking our 1 in 500 chance of dying and 1 in whatever chance of long term health issues to to keep the economy alive right? What's the difference with taking a 1 in whatever risk of a bad vaccine? Suck it up for the team.

This is what world travel is going to continue to look like for people who refuse to take the vaccine once it's widely administered:

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Being 28 in 1918 isn’t like being 28 today. Life expectancy back then was 36-46 so you were practically an old man.

It's kinda nuts looking at the life expectancy over the years.

Year

M

F

1900

46.3

48.3

1901

47.6

50.6

1902

49.8

53.4

1903

49.1

52.0

1904

46.2

49.1

1905

47.3

50.2

1906

46.9

50.8

1907

45.6

49.9

1908

49.5

52.8

1909

50.5

53.8

1910

48.4

51.8

1911

50.9

54.4

1912

51.5

55.9

1913

50.3

55.0

1914

52.0

56.8

1915

52.5

56.8

1916

49.6

54.3

1917

48.4

54.0

1918

36.6

42.2

1919

53.5

56.0

1920

53.6

54.6

1921

60.0

61.8

1922

58.4

61.0

Formatting is weird, but should be easy to follow still. 1918 life expectancy was dropped so low cuz of the Spanish Flu

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Well of course there isn't enough data. We don't even have a vaccine yet. But when we have one that passes clinical trials and everyone is taking it, I assume schools are going to require that kids have it, for the same reason Brazil required proof of a yellow fever shot.

Don't believe in vaccines? Fine. Home school your kids or find some crazy religious school that will take you.

I mean we're all supposed to be out there risking our 1 in 500 chance of dying and 1 in whatever chance of long term health issues to to keep the economy alive right? What's the difference with taking a 1 in whatever risk of a bad vaccine? Suck it up for the team.

This is what world travel is going to continue to look like for people who refuse to take the vaccine once it's widely administered:

Should make vaccines mandatory and if you don't get your kid vaccinated then you don't deserve the kid because you're too damn stupid.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

It's kinda nuts looking at the life expectancy over the years.

I'm curious though how much of that is because of infant mortality or kids dying really young of various diseases. I'd be interested to see the average lifespan in those same years of anyone who makes it to their teens. I bet it's a lot older. I don't think people were just constantly dropping dead in their 40s at the turn of the 19th-20th century.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Should make vaccines mandatory and if you don't get your kid vaccinated then you don't deserve the kid because you're too damn stupid.

I'm all for vaccines in general, but is it crazy that I'm super cautious of a vaccine that is rushed to market?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Well of course there isn't enough data. We don't even have a vaccine yet. But when we have one that passes clinical trials and everyone is taking it, I assume schools are going to require that kids have it, for the same reason Brazil required proof of a yellow fever shot.

Don't believe in vaccines? Fine. Home school your kids or find some crazy religious school that will take you.

I mean we're all supposed to be out there risking our 1 in 500 chance of dying and 1 in whatever chance of long term health issues to to keep the economy alive right? What's the difference with taking a 1 in whatever risk of a bad vaccine? Suck it up for the team.

This is what world travel is going to continue to look like for people who refuse to take the vaccine once it's widely administered:

But, of course, we're sure to let everyone come here.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Why are we still here? Covid has been defeated. No one knows of course because the Drs that figured it out have been banned from social media.

It's over guys.

Yesterday:

68,569 new cases. 1,465 new deaths.