***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Switzerland is having some issues with a new outbreak, they just came out and said the majority of spread is at home, not much in public and minuscule amounts in schools

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Switzerland is having some issues with a new outbreak, they just came out and said the majority of spread is at home, not much in public and minuscule amounts in schools

I'm not real sure what people expected? Places across the world locked down, curves were flattened, case spread was slowed, etc., etc.

The one, tiny little thing that didn't happen is the virus never actually went away.

So naturally when places that thought they had it under control start to re-open, even if slower or more cautiously than other places, many are starting to see a resurgence in cases.

Might be because the virus never actually went away and it doesn't take a whole lot to spread it to begin with.

Just a hunch.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm not real sure what people expected? Places across the world locked down, curves were flattened, case spread was slowed, etc., etc.

The one, tiny little thing that didn't happen is the virus never actually went away.

So naturally when places that thought they had it under control start to re-open, even if slower or more cautiously than other places, many are starting to see a resurgence in cases.

Might be because the virus never actually went away and it doesn't take a whole lot to spread it to begin with.

Just a hunch.

Cant change the rate only the date.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Can change the rate only the date.

Every day you push it back is that much closer to vaccines and therapeutics.

Look how much it all helped these other states woth their death rates Already.

Every day out is that much More knowledge about it

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm not real sure what people expected? Places across the world locked down, curves were flattened, case spread was slowed, etc., etc.

The one, tiny little thing that didn't happen is the virus never actually went away.

So naturally when places that thought they had it under control start to re-open, even if slower or more cautiously than other places, many are starting to see a resurgence in cases.

Might be because the virus never actually went away and it doesn't take a whole lot to spread it to begin with.

Just a hunch.

Well you can put out small outbreaks. Small embers can be smothered out.

If you get the cases down low enough that is

[Donger]

Thirty-six crew members have tested positive for COVID-19 onboard Hurtigruten's MS Roald Amundsen, currently docked in Tromsø, Norway, according to a statement provided by line spokesperson Øystein Knoph.

But the virus might not have been contained onboard. Potentially impacted passengers from two separate voyages had already disembarked a cruise on July 24 and the last cruise on Friday, leaving ample time for passengers to begin their voyages home and potentially spread the virus.

The cruise line has contacted passengers who had been on the MS Roald Amundsen for its July 17 and July 24 departures. There were 209 guests on the first voyage and 178 guests on the second voyage, though the ship holds between 530 and 600 passengers, according to CruiseMapper. All have been asked to self-quarantine in accordance with Norwegian regulations, according to the cruise line.

Most of the crew remained on board for both voyages, Rune Thomas Ege, Hurtigruten's vice president of global communications, told USA TODAY.

"We are now focusing all available efforts in taking care of our guests and colleagues," Ege said in the release. "We work closely with the Norwegian national and local health authorities for follow-up, information, further testing, and infection tracking."

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

Thirty-six crew members have tested positive for COVID-19 onboard Hurtigruten's MS Roald Amundsen, currently docked in Tromsø, Norway, according to a statement provided by line spokesperson Øystein Knoph.

But the virus might not have been contained onboard. Potentially impacted passengers from two separate voyages had already disembarked a cruise on July 24 and the last cruise on Friday, leaving ample time for passengers to begin their voyages home and potentially spread the virus.

The cruise line has contacted passengers who had been on the MS Roald Amundsen for its July 17 and July 24 departures. There were 209 guests on the first voyage and 178 guests on the second voyage, though the ship holds between 530 and 600 passengers, according to CruiseMapper. All have been asked to self-quarantine in accordance with Norwegian regulations, according to the cruise line.

Most of the crew remained on board for both voyages, Rune Thomas Ege, Hurtigruten's vice president of global communications, told USA TODAY.

"We are now focusing all available efforts in taking care of our guests and colleagues," Ege said in the release. "We work closely with the Norwegian national and local health authorities for follow-up, information, further testing, and infection tracking."

I didn't realize there were still cruises going on..

[O.city]

I think some of the stuff has gone too far but yeah I ain’t getting on a floating petrino dish anytime soon

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by TLO

Ok but then you say;



So which one is it?

There were some that were backlogged but they weren't that many per day to explain the 1500+ daily numbers. Just like they weren't saving them up and dumping them all in one day.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

There were some that were backlogged but they weren't that many per day to explain the 1500+ daily numbers. Just like they weren't saving them up and dumping them all in one day.

I'll agree to disagree. I think the amount backlogged was definitely fueling the +1500 days. But truthfully neither one of us can prove it one way or the other so I respect your opinion and we'll keep an eye on numbers this week.

[petegz28]

Today was a good say on balance. Compared to last Sunday. About 7k less cases and only 5 more deaths compared to last Sunday.

This week had a lot of "peak" written all over it. Lets hope that's the case.

[TLO]

Something I was pondering on a little while ago.

The 7 day rolling average for MO positives has increased quite a bit. We're at like 10.2% as a state. However I have 2 questions regarding this.

1. If the DHSS was backed up with cases, wouldn't that have an impact on the 7 day average? They're entering in a lot of positives that may not be reflected in real time

2. It has been noted that the community testing events in Missouri have all but stopped. I wonder if this also has an impact on positivity rate?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Today was a good say on balance. Compared to last Sunday. About 7k less cases and only 5 more deaths compared to last Sunday.

This week had a lot of "peak" written all over it. Lets hope that's the case.

I've read in various places that we've hit the peak and should start seeing a steady decline in the next week or two.

Now we just need to avoid this thing moving north and causing more giant blow ups.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I've read in various places that we've hit the peak and should start seeing a steady decline in the next week or two.

Now we just need to avoid this thing moving north and causing more giant blow ups.

I’m hopeful we don’t but it’s looking like everywhere is gonna get it til it gets to a certain percent

I don’t know if there’s any way to keep it from happening

[BossChief]

Let’s just hope that it’s extremely rare to get it twice and we keep learning new ways to fight it and keep people from dying.