***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

True, but that varies greatly. NYC has far different density than Alaska, which has a population density of about 1.2

Yep, and it explains why we are seeing the strongest growth in major metros. Just thought it was interesting to see ours comparatively.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That was from the 12th....how about now? It’s still early enough to suffocate this thing, no?

The only things that cross state lines are essential movements to transport supplies and a special scannable identifier is placed on those vehicles that signifies everything contained is safe for transport.

I mean, we could try. But how long does this go into place for?

Who enforces it?

You want to talk about mass hysteria..

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Italy has an older population. I would imagine they also have a high smoking rate which probably makes it worse.

But this is also what happens when hospitals are overwhelmed.

Wuhan had a 7% death rate during their peak while hospitals that were farther away were less than 1%.

Italy is currently having to choose which patients not to treat which is literally leaving them to die.

North America I assume has more obesity, diabetes and other diet related health issues .

[srvy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

social media locally freaked out when the broadcast started. Then people downtown said they didn’t hear the cars and people figured out it’s last years race. Sorry my bad.

Good grief do a little research instead of jumping the gun to be first every time.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1...715396609?s=21

[suzzer99]

LOL that last tweet is my childhood

[frozenchief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yep, and it explains why we are seeing the strongest growth in major metros. Just thought it was interesting to see ours comparatively.

It is. We don’t realize how much space we have. If Manhattan had the population density of Alaska, it would havE 21 people living in it.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Monticore

North America I assume has more obesity, diabetes and other diet related health issues .

From what I'm reading smoking, existing lung issues, and age are what the worst cases have in common.

I'm a smoker myself but I've already started a dramatic cut down and hopefully fully quitting. It won't prevent anything - my lungs are already damaged - but it will prevent whatever is to come from being worse by adding to the problem.

If you are a smoker read up now on ACE 2 receptors, smoking, and the virus. I don't claim to fully understand the studies or medical papers but I understand enough to know smoking and this virus are a very bad combination.

Triage or prioritizing resources might have to start at some point and if it does how will a doc treat a patient they know is going to leave and go right back to destroying their lungs on purpose?

I'm a smoker and I realize this...

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

LOL that last tweet is my childhood

I’m praying for a week off at this point. Maybe I’d get to catch up on my sleep and backlog of PS4 games.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You have to be willing to make sacrifices for the betterment of the country sometimes.

No. No we don't.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

LOL that last tweet is my childhood

Ditto, except I was the younger sibling. Kept occupied by playing with sticks, playing in the creek and waiting for the real cartoons to come on tv.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

No. No we don't.

Personal preservation is important but if some of these organizations don't survive you won't for very long either.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Personal preservation is important but if some of these organizations don't survive you won't for very long either.

Every man for himself.

I have zero faith in any of my neighbors to 'sacrifice' anything for the greater good.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Every man for himself.

I have zero faith in any of my neighbors to 'sacrifice' anything for the greater good.

You better hope we don't decide to just empty our prisons like Iran.

Or that the doctor, Cop, or service you might depend on believes the way you do...

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

LOL that last tweet is my childhood

Same.