***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

Here's an issue we're starting to see in our area. Where schools are going remote, the parents are having to send kids to daycares, other options so they are able to work.

Those places aren't as equipped as say a large school building to have that many children.

This is a huge mess.

they want to send kids to school for only 5 hours a day here at that point is there any difference between 5 and 8 with 5 you still end up with childcare issues etc. without really reducing potential infections even with kids wearing masks during that time.

nobody here seem to have a any real plan A let alone a decent fallback plan.

[dirk digler]

I have been social distancing and staying from most everyone but today the government made me go to jury duty and hang out in an indoor facility with 150 people for 4 hours. They turned some away because they were having symptoms so I won't be surprised if I got infected.

Brillant decision there.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Agendas.

Good to see your admittance, not that it was needed.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Where they lost some people was when they said "don't go protest your business being closed down, you're making it worse" then turned around and said "go protest this it's worth the risk".

Right or wrong, you're gonna lose alot of people's confidence when you say that.

Who is they? I honestly don't remember seeing that anywhere.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Who is they? I honestly don't remember seeing that anywhere.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/healt...rnd/index.html

"Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy," the letter says.

"However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators' ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/healt...rnd/index.html

"Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy," the letter says.

"However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators' ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders

Meh, just another opinion from a group of people with a bit of politics thrown in. Far leaning opinions can be found everywhere.

Personally I just go with the "Big groups are bad" official policy.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think telling black people they can't or should not protest against racial injustice would have made things worse there were in a bit of a pickle.

Wowza that's one hell of an excuse you just made there.

People have been arguing all along the collateral damage to the country is worse than the disease at this point so seems just a bit hypocritical.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Who is they? I honestly don't remember seeing that anywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_U...kdown_protests

Beginning in mid-April 2020, there were protests in several U.S. states against government-imposed lockdowns in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States.[1][2] The protests, mostly organized by conservative groups and individuals,[3][4] decried the economic and social impact of stay-at-home orders, business closures, and restricted personal movement and association, and demanded that their state be "re-opened" for normal business and personal activity.[5]

The protests made international news[6][7] and were widely condemned as unsafe and ill-advised.[8] They ranged in size from a few hundred people to several thousand, and spread on social media with encouragement from U.S. President Donald Trump.[9]

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

Where they lost some people was when they said "don't go protest your business being closed down, you're making it worse" then turned around and said "go protest this it's worth the risk".

Right or wrong, you're gonna lose alot of people's confidence when you say that.

At least one group of protestors wore masks. That actually makes a huge difference.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

At least one group of protestors wore masks. That actually makes a huge difference.

Oh, ok.

So we can all mask up and essentially go back to normal?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Meh, just another opinion from a group of people with a bit of politics thrown in. Far leaning opinions can be found everywhere.

Personally I just go with the "Big groups are bad" official policy.

When the same epidemiologist and virologist and public health officials are saying it, it’s a problem

IMO

[Donger]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Meh, just another opinion from a group of people with a bit of politics thrown in. Far leaning opinions can be found everywhere.

Personally I just go with the "Big groups are bad" official policy.

Yes, and mass gatherings of any kind during a pandemic is, well, stupid. It would be nice if people could agree on that, and not condemn one versus another.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Wowza that's one hell of an excuse you just made there.

People have been arguing all along the collateral damage to the country is worse than the disease at this point so seems just a bit hypocritical.

so you think telling black people that they shouldn't protest against black injustice would have resulted in them just going back home and saying that seems fair.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Oh, ok.

So we can all mask up and essentially go back to normal?

No shit right.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by O.city

Oh, ok.

So we can all mask up and essentially go back to normal?

Isn't that happening, essentially?