Football Steve mcnair is dead - Page 28

SLAG · 07-04-2009, 02:15 PM

Onecell right now but they say murder/suicide

@breakingnews on twitter

booger · 07-07-2009, 07:17 PM

JW picked the wrong person to blame on the topic of kids growing up w/out fathers. The affair sure isn't a good thing but it doesn't mean he should pay for his life with it. Hell she could of blackmailed him or whatever and broke up the SM and his wife if she didn't know about his other life. But she chose to take his life and hers but also affected the lives of the 4 boys dramatically.

I don't know the whole story of how bad it was or wasn't between he and the wife. Either way that was a personal mistake, a big one on his part not considering how it would affect them. But that's the thing it was a personal issue that we don't know how it would have turned out. They could have got counseling and stayed together for the sake of the kids or split or any number of things.

It looks like his biggest mistake besides the matter of cheating and those circumstances was who he chose or who chose him, the gal he was running with. Her family paints a good picture of her as a good person which you would expect them to do of a loved one. And while it is mentioned of him transitioning to the next stage of his life in his post playing days and those struggles I'm sure the girl was going through a key point at her age and wheather or not she was in college and figuring out WTF she wanted to do with the rest of her life. Sometimes what you planned those last few years of HS is nothing what you wanted.

The way it looks is she took matters of her and his life in her own hands and made that choice which is just terrible. He picked the wrong chick to have an affair with. That doesn't excuse the affair or any affair but it doesn't mean he should pay with his life.

Plenty of people get shit on and humiliated or whatever. Hell, I've had people i thought i wanted to kill for how they affected me at different stages of my life. The hell they put me or my family through that affects them or me to this very day. I got no problem admitting that. But i also consider the embarrassment and pain that would cause my family and loved ones and the fact i know i would regret it so why not just do the best i can and move forward. That doesn't make me the better person, just lucky i didn't snap like she did.

I've also been in her shoes and taken part in an affair w/ a married woman with children. It wasn't her first time cheating. Yes he was violent with her and they both had their share of substance abuse problems. But that doesn't make it right. It may have at the time maybe think it was ok but it was a big mistake. Even if i said to myself that if it wasn't me it would have been some other guy it doesn't make me feel any less guilty or ashamed of myself for how i would feel if i was in the husbands shoes even if he treated her horribly. That's personal and between them. I had no right to get involved. That's my mistake and i get to live with it.

The point being is while thoughts are with so many people in his and her life it's his kids who are at the forefront. Godbless Tony Dungy for his part in trying to council young men, many of them fathers about straightening out their lives for their kids and themselves. It's a major problem. To many people don't realize that so often history repeats itself. The bad shit the parents go through often times the kids learned along the way and repeat those same mistakes. Not all of them will be lucky to find a father figure or a role model in life that will council them on the right and wrong.

Whitlock should have used someone like Travis Henry as an example of being a bad parent and not McNair. SM and his wife could of divorced or not. He could have been with the young gal or not. But he didn't seem like the type of person that would allow that to stand in his way of raising his boys.

FAX · 07-07-2009, 07:19 PM

McNair had taken his kids fishing on the 3rd.

FAX

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-07-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

McNair got what he deserved. Piece of shit person.

WTF?

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

McNair had taken his kids fishing on the 3rd.

FAX

Impossible.

Whitlock said he was a horrible father.

FAX · 07-07-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Impossible.

Whitlock said he was a horrible father.

I have a feeling Whitlock will write a retraction (or at least a clarification) at some point, Mr. DaneMcCloud. If any of McNair's teammates see that piece, that is. He'll receive quite a few emails and phone calls, I imagine. He got it wrong.

FAX

memyselfI · 07-07-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Impossible.

Whitlock said he was a horrible father.

Please provide the quote where he said this. I must have missed it. The father Whitlock described was a distracted father NOT a horrible one.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I have a feeling Whitlock will write a retraction (or at least a clarification) at some point, Mr. DaneMcCloud. If any of McNair's teammates see that piece, that is. He'll receive quite a few emails and phone calls, I imagine. He got it wrong.

FAX

I hope so, Mr. Fax.

I truly hope so.

Frazod · 07-07-2009, 07:38 PM

BTW, Fax, I didn't realize until today that McNair was a personal friend of yours. My condolences.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Please provide the quote where he said this. I must have missed it. The father Whitlock described was a distracted father NOT a horrible one.

Did you even read the article? If so, how can you read these quotes and state that they don't imply that McNair was a horrible father?

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The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off.

And this:

What we do know is that McNair had four sons. And based on the observations and comments of Kazemi's neighbors and neighbors at the condominium McNair rented, McNair spent so much time with Kazemi over the past few months that people assumed they lived together.

More:

We shirk our responsibilities as fathers. We don't have time for it. We think it's a part- or no-time job. We think our career is more important. We think charity work is more important. We think some young tail is more important.

We foolishly believe we're unnecessary in the rearing of children.

And even more:

Kids are game-changers. Kids require sacrifice. Kids are a daily and sometimes hourly responsibility. You don't properly raise them in your spare time with money, fame, gifts and glowing newspaper and magazine stories about your courage to play on Sundays despite injury and pain.

Steve McNair sounds like a warrior who fought the wrong war. He won a public-relations battle.

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And Denise, you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

Hootie · 07-07-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

[email protected]? Interesting.

way back when...probably when I was 15 or 16 (still in high school)...his email was [email protected]...I used to be CRAZY about AIM back then (that's how you used to hook up with high school girls...you could say anything and most of them were equally as horny as you)...I used to try and talk to Whitlock but he'd never respond...asshole.

memyselfI · 07-07-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did you even read the article? If so, how can you read these quotes and state that they don't imply that McNair was a horrible father?

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The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off.

And this:

What we do know is that McNair had four sons. And based on the observations and comments of Kazemi's neighbors and neighbors at the condominium McNair rented, McNair spent so much time with Kazemi over the past few months that people assumed they lived together.

More:

We shirk our responsibilities as fathers. We don't have time for it. We think it's a part- or no-time job. We think our career is more important. We think charity work is more important. We think some young tail is more important.

We foolishly believe we're unnecessary in the rearing of children.

And even more:

Kids are game-changers. Kids require sacrifice. Kids are a daily and sometimes hourly responsibility. You don't properly raise them in your spare time with money, fame, gifts and glowing newspaper and magazine stories about your courage to play on Sundays despite injury and pain.

Steve McNair sounds like a warrior who fought the wrong war. He won a public-relations battle.

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And Denise, you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

No, he is not describing a horrible father. He's describing a DISTRACTED one. Nowhere does he claim that when he was with the kids he mistreated them or did not tend to them in an appropriate fashion.

His argument is that he was distracted with things that made his kids not *THE* priority in his life but rather *A* priority in his life. He's arguing that children should be the priority. I agree with him but I don't think men who are busy with careers or charity work are necessarily horrible fathers. Both of these things could ultimately end up benefiting the children even as the time he spent away from them hurt them at the time. It's not the quantity of the time fathers (or mothers for that matter) spend with their children but the quality of it.

Where he went astray is when he added the skank distraction to the mix. He made bad choices as a husband and a father. He risked his family and their security and happiness for his own pleasure. But I do not see where Whitlock is saying that McNair was a bad father to his kids when he was a father to them...

on the contrary. I think Whitlock is arguing that McNair needed to spend more time being the McNair he created vs. the McNair he became. Had he done so his kids would still have their father even if he was distracted with his career or charity work.

And, as I said before, McNair probably thought he was being a good father to his kids because he was 1. there and 2.financially providing for them in ways his single mother could only dream of for her children.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-07-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

No, he is not describing a horrible father. He's describing a DISTRACTED one. Nowhere does he claim that when he was with the kids he mistreated them or did not tend to them in an appropriate fashion.

Whatever.

If someone described my father in the manner that Whitlock described McNair, I'd think my father was an shitty dad AND an asshole.

Fortunately, that's nowhere near the case.

You really live in your own world, don't you?

**KcMizzou** · 07-07-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

We?

Uhhh...speak for yourself, fatass.

Uh, yeah. This.

memyselfI · 07-07-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whatever.

If someone described my father in the manner that Whitlock described McNair, I'd think my father was an shitty dad AND an asshole.

Fortunately, that's nowhere near the case.

You really live in your own world, don't you?

Dane, there are men who spend hours and hours with their kids bullying them, belittling them, humiliating them, abusing them. That is a horrible father. They may never be gone or distracted but their sheer presence is of no use to their kids.

One who is gone all the time or is away and busy with things that are benefiting the family are not necessarily horrible fathers IF the time they spend with the kids is quality time when they are there.

I don't see where McNair has ever been accused of being anything but a good father and that is why this is so shocking. When he was busy with his career or charity is not when he got in trouble.

Bottom line, Whitlock doesn't have kids does he? So I don't really take his view as very credible on this topic until he does.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-07-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

McNair got what he deserved. Piece of shit person.

Please explain how he deserved to die?

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07-07-2009, 07:17 PM	#406
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2441450	JW picked the wrong person to blame on the topic of kids growing up w/out fathers. The affair sure isn't a good thing but it doesn't mean he should pay for his life with it. Hell she could of blackmailed him or whatever and broke up the SM and his wife if she didn't know about his other life. But she chose to take his life and hers but also affected the lives of the 4 boys dramatically. I don't know the whole story of how bad it was or wasn't between he and the wife. Either way that was a personal mistake, a big one on his part not considering how it would affect them. But that's the thing it was a personal issue that we don't know how it would have turned out. They could have got counseling and stayed together for the sake of the kids or split or any number of things. It looks like his biggest mistake besides the matter of cheating and those circumstances was who he chose or who chose him, the gal he was running with. Her family paints a good picture of her as a good person which you would expect them to do of a loved one. And while it is mentioned of him transitioning to the next stage of his life in his post playing days and those struggles I'm sure the girl was going through a key point at her age and wheather or not she was in college and figuring out WTF she wanted to do with the rest of her life. Sometimes what you planned those last few years of HS is nothing what you wanted. The way it looks is she took matters of her and his life in her own hands and made that choice which is just terrible. He picked the wrong chick to have an affair with. That doesn't excuse the affair or any affair but it doesn't mean he should pay with his life. Plenty of people get shit on and humiliated or whatever. Hell, I've had people i thought i wanted to kill for how they affected me at different stages of my life. The hell they put me or my family through that affects them or me to this very day. I got no problem admitting that. But i also consider the embarrassment and pain that would cause my family and loved ones and the fact i know i would regret it so why not just do the best i can and move forward. That doesn't make me the better person, just lucky i didn't snap like she did. I've also been in her shoes and taken part in an affair w/ a married woman with children. It wasn't her first time cheating. Yes he was violent with her and they both had their share of substance abuse problems. But that doesn't make it right. It may have at the time maybe think it was ok but it was a big mistake. Even if i said to myself that if it wasn't me it would have been some other guy it doesn't make me feel any less guilty or ashamed of myself for how i would feel if i was in the husbands shoes even if he treated her horribly. That's personal and between them. I had no right to get involved. That's my mistake and i get to live with it. The point being is while thoughts are with so many people in his and her life it's his kids who are at the forefront. Godbless Tony Dungy for his part in trying to council young men, many of them fathers about straightening out their lives for their kids and themselves. It's a major problem. To many people don't realize that so often history repeats itself. The bad shit the parents go through often times the kids learned along the way and repeat those same mistakes. Not all of them will be lucky to find a father figure or a role model in life that will council them on the right and wrong. Whitlock should have used someone like Travis Henry as an example of being a bad parent and not McNair. SM and his wife could of divorced or not. He could have been with the young gal or not. But he didn't seem like the type of person that would allow that to stand in his way of raising his boys. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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