NFL Draft We are not taking a QB in the first round - Page 28

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:35 PM

And I think the truth is if you had given most people here choices of Tyson Jackson or, most of those reach arguments would have gone out the window I think even people that didn't particulary like Orakpo would have gone with him and that goes for several others.

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:35 PM

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I don't think it's Jackson's fault, he didn't ask the Chiefs to pick him, I have gone out of my way to not trash him.

He was a 10-20 type of prospect that got overdrafted, not his fault that's our FO's fault.

I guess the real hindsight here is if they wanted to do a reach pick to make us eat crow, Orakpo was the guy.

Right. But again, Vernon Gholston killed him. Three years ago Orakpo is a top 5 pick, but because of Gholston he fell a bit.

**DeezNutz** · 01-02-2010, 08:36 PM

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Not really. No one wanted to trade up in this past draft. Detroit put out feelers for anyone that wanted to trade into the #1 spot and no one did. Everyone tried to trade out of the top 5 and no team wanted to trade up that high.

the fact is, with the absurd rookie contracts no one wants a top 5 pick anymore, so it's a rush to want to trade out of it now. And with this draft not having 3-4 real superstars it'll be another year of that.

Overall, we don't really disagree, except for the value that Sanchez represented in the draft.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:36 PM

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We disagree about Sanchez, and that's fine, but if there's a legit threat that we might select him, you don't think that puts us in a much stronger, more valuable draft position?

We took a bad situation and made it worse, IMO.

I'm one of the guys saying at the time that we should draft and trade him. Sanchez that is. Because while I didn't (and still don't) value him personally, I knew he was valued by others.

(Which is ironically I think something that could also be said about jackson - it was said at the time that we weren't the only team looking at him. So whether I valued him in the top-5 or not, which I didn't, some folks obviously did...)

They may have even tried to do it, and never got the right deal. Impossible to know.

Either way, I would have done everything I possibly could not to pick at 3.

**DeezNutz** · 01-02-2010, 08:37 PM

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And I think the truth is if you had given most people here choices of Tyson Jackson or, most of those reach arguments would have gone out the window I think even people that didn't particulary like Orakpo would have gone with him and that goes for several others.

The Raji bandwagon would have been stronger.

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:37 PM

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Right. But again, Vernon Gholston killed him. Three years ago Orakpo is a top 5 pick, but because of Gholston he fell a bit.

Gholston wasn't my reasoning for being down on him, I don't like to do player comparisons like that I think it's unfair to both players.

I was down on Orakpo because of the long history of highly drafted Mack Brown Texas players that have absolutely fizzled.

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:37 PM

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Overall, we don't really disagree, except for the value that Sanchez represented in the draft.

Sanchez was overhyped and that much has been proven. Even if you take him it's not like he's Eli where he has the value to be traded to someone else. No one else was going to buy into that.

**BossChief** · 01-02-2010, 08:37 PM

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I think that Tyson was put in a bad spot from a draft perspective. I think he will eventually pan out and be a very good player, but it's going to be next to impossible for him to live up to being the #3 overall player unless he becomes the next Richard Seymour (what RS was in his prime).

I don't blame Jackson for that, and I don't really blame the front office (I know some will have a shit fit about that but I don't). We tried to trade down and couldn't find any takers. The only guy that in hindsight would have been worth it was Orakpo. And I think what hurt him was ****ing Vernon Gholston because everyone kept comparing the two and Gholston is on his way to being a colossol bust. So I think the thinking was to put another big body to build around up front, which is what they did in New England (look I'm not chanting the Patriots way either, so spare me the sarcasm).

Good post. I would add Crabtree to that short list of guys that would have been worth the pick.

"toilet brush"

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:38 PM

I personally probably would have taken Raji had I been in the Chiefs position.

**DeezNutz** · 01-02-2010, 08:38 PM

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Sanchez was overhyped and that much has been proven. Even if you take him it's not like he's Eli where he has the value to be traded to someone else. No one else was going to buy into that.

Dude, we're going to have to agree to disagree about Sanchez.

He may end up being a piece of trash, but nothing has been proven, yet. And, you'll think this is crazy, but I'd still rather have him than Cassel.

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:38 PM

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Gholston wasn't my reasoning for being down on him, I don't like to do player comparisons like that I think it's unfair to both players.

I was down on Orakpo because of the long history of highly drafted Mack Brown Texas players that have absolutely fizzled.

That too. BUT, the constant Gholston comparisons (is he just a workout warrior) most certainly hurt him. Obviously he's not gholston but when you get compared to a guy that has busted like Gholston has, it's not going to benefit you.

Mecca · 01-02-2010, 08:38 PM

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Good post. I would add Crabtree to that short list of guys that would have been worth the pick.

"toilet brush"

I still think what I said about Crabtree and the WR class holds true after the season.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And I think the truth is if you had given most people here choices of Tyson Jackson or, most of those reach arguments would have gone out the window I think even people that didn't particulary like Orakpo would have gone with him and that goes for several others.

Ignoring how he's played, the truth is I wouldn't have touched Orakpo with a 10-foot pole. I thought going into the draft he had bust written all over him. I don't think I thought much of Maybin either.

TheGuardian · 01-02-2010, 08:41 PM

Crabs would have been ok at #3 in hindsight too.

keg in kc · 01-02-2010, 08:42 PM

I didn't like Raji either going into it, as I recall. Was concerned he'd turn into Chester McGlockton.

I really, really, really didn't like this draft class.

At all.

01-01-2010, 10:32 AM
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6315299	We are not taking a QB in the first round Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn. Just keep reading the title of this thread until it **ing sinks in. And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy. I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth. "He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are **ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it. Thank you and have a nice new years day.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	And I think the truth is if you had given most people here choices of Tyson Jackson or, most of those reach arguments would have gone out the window I think even people that didn't particulary like Orakpo would have gone with him and that goes for several others.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-602950	I personally probably would have taken Raji had I been in the Chiefs position.
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TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6315299	Crabs would have been ok at #3 in hindsight too.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I didn't like Raji either going into it, as I recall. Was concerned he'd turn into Chester McGlockton. I really, really, really didn't like this draft class. At all.
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