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Old 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM  
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Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+
I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:16 PM   #406
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As I stated earlier, there are essentially three downs in which a player can participate. I'd expect McCluster to play on two of those three downs, which equates to 67%.
The only possible way this would be true is if 1) we ran 3wr sets 2 out of 3 downs AND he played in 100% of them.

I think you are fighting a losing argument here...
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:17 PM   #407
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And the only guy we passed on that wouldn't have been a reach at 2a was an OLB with a legitimate injury concern.

You can't walk in with tunnel-vision and draft by need for the position you want. That's what got us in trouble by taking Tyson Jackson. The Chiefs took a guy that was on the top of their board and probably at the top of a lot of teams' boards.

You're arguing for a needs-based draft over BPA. You can have preference over one method or the other, sure, but taking BPA is usually the way to go beyond the first round.
My argument has always been that if you have two players on the board that are closely rated, then you take the player that fills a need.

I can maybe get the McCluster pick in that scenario.
I could easily see that he was rated more highly by a substantial margin by Pioli than other players that filled other gaping holes.

But I simply can not see that with the Arenas pick.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:17 PM   #408
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We call that talking out of both sides of your mouth to defend anything, but this is why zilla has the Pioli ball washing gimmick, would you expect any less?
Which offensive lineman from the 2009 draft in rounds 3-7 did the Chiefs pass up that would have made such a gigantic difference?
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:17 PM   #409
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And I said, being generous, if he sees more than 55% of snaps and is the kind of playmaker that he's projected to be, then that pick is a fine one.

But I have to see it.

I believe he has the ability, but I just don't see him playing that many snaps.
He can't, without taking snaps away from Charles, Chambers or Moeaki.

You can't run 3-wide AND 2 TE the majority of the time. It has to be one or the other.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:18 PM   #410
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How often did the Chiefs use three WR sets last year? Seemed like Weis did alot at ND.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:19 PM   #411
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**** no. That guy is a moron.
Who was it? I hope it wasn't me
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The only possible way this would be true is if 1) we ran 3wr sets 2 out of 3 downs AND he played in 100% of them.
Why wouldn't he? He's already the best slot receiver on the team. Unless he's injured, would you prefer Urban or Long on the field?
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:19 PM   #413
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Absolutely priceless....
You're the guy that could never shut the hell up about your hate for Herman ****ing Edwards, hypocrite.
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He can't, without taking snaps away from Charles, Chambers or Moeaki.

You can't run 3-wide AND 2 TE the majority of the time. It has to be one or the other.
I'd like someone to explain to me how the Chiefs are going to run two tight end sets without having two tight ends that can actually block and catch?
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How often did the Chiefs use three WR sets last year? Seemed like Weis did alot at ND.

even if we used a 3wr set in the one of the 1st three downs in ever single series for the entire season it wouldn't be enough to have McCluster on the field 70 or 67% of the time....He will be lucky to be on the field 50-55% of downs 1-3.

Hell, I will consider it a huge success if he is on the field 55% of the 1st 3 downs and doesn't get his neck broken.
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Which offensive lineman from the 2009 draft in rounds 3-7 did the Chiefs pass up that would have made such a gigantic difference?
Defend that draft from last year, I dare you, it'll just make me laugh at you.
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Well, something has to give.

The people defending the McCluster pick say he's always be on the field because we're going to be in a lot of 3-wide formations.

Those same people then defend the Moeaki pick by saying we're going to be in a lot of 2 TE formations.

Do the math.
I can do the math. Nothing is stopping you from running a 2-back set in a 2-TE formation where you keep one receiver and motion another receiver into the slot, especially on running downs. You can run 2-TE sets on 3rd down situations where you keep McCluster in the backfield and motion him into the slot as a third receiver in an empty backfield. McCluster would be involved in all 3- or 4-WR sets where you keep one TE in the game (probably being Moeaki). And McCluster and Charles would both be in the game when the Chiefs run the wildcat, which I have a feeling we'll see a few times per game.

And ultimately, when Jones is gone, it will probably come to a point where Charles/McCluster will be splitting carries out of the set.

There is most definitely a way you can feature quite a few 2-TE sets and keep both Charles and McCluster involved in a lot of reps.
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Haha Mecca dodges the question again.
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When borderline R1 talent is staring you in the face at you're greatest position of need, and you pass, it absolutely implies that.

Their hope is that coaching alone turns chicken shit into chicken salad.

The offense (other than QB, which they aren't going to address) wasn't the problem last year, IMO.

We averaged 22 points a game after the bye week.

That's enough points to win regularly, provided your defense is ranked 22nd or better.

Even with the refusal to address the QB problem, the additions of TJ, Lilja and Asomoah alone would have improved the offense. Which means you could have been very competitive by just improving the defense a bit.

Taking some combination of Daryl Washington, Koa Misi, Everson Griffen, Sergio Kindle, Linval Joseph, Sean lee and Terrence Cody would have dramatically improved this defense for the long haul.

Instead, we surround the so-called Franchise QB with weapons, which he'll need to score the 30+ PPG necessary to win games in 2010.
Let's just call it what it is, we made several picks to make Matt Cassel look competent because Scott Pioli is not going to admit he screwed that up.
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even if we used a 3wr set in the one of the 1st three downs in ever single series for the entire season it wouldn't be enough to have McCluster on the field 70 or 67% of the time....He will be lucky to be on the field 50-55% of downs 1-3.

Hell, I will consider it a huge success if he is on the field 55% of the 1st 3 downs and doesn't get his neck broken.
You also have to count if he is a PR or KR. I don't know which one he will be yet.
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