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Old 02-23-2018, 12:03 PM  
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Marcus Peters traded to Rams
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...97064676052993
@AdamSchefter: Chiefs are expected to trade CB Marcus Peters to the Los Angeles Rams, sources tell ESPN. Teams are in final stages of talks and barring an unexpected snag, the trade is expected to be agreed to as early as today.

@AdamSchefter: Rams and Chiefs are in final stages of talks and barring an unexpected snag, the trade is expected to be agreed to as early as today.

@AdamSchefter: Marcus Peters to LA Rams trade is now officially agreed to, per source; cannot be processed until March 14. But Peters expected to be a Ram.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:17 PM   #406
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Why the hell do people keep talking about whether or not he intends to re-sign? Who gives a good goddamn? We have him for 2 years plus a reasonable first year franchise figure. That takes him through his prime years and at that point maybe you are ready to walk away anyway.

The point of the league isn't to keep guys here for as long as you can, it's to maximize their value and contributions to the team when you have windows to win championships. Keeping Hali and Charles during the Pioli years ended up meaning jack shit even if they took deals at/below market. Why? Because we weren't ready to win.

Meanwhile over the next 3 years we'll have Kelce in his prime and 3 young players in Hill, Fuller and Jones who will all be on rookie deals for 2 of them with the ability to frontload them on extensions for the third. We'll also have an immensely talented young QB on a rookie contract to boot.

The window to win a championship was WIDE THE **** OPEN for the next 3 seasons and Marcus Peters was effectively under team control for those years. If you lose him in 2021 who gives a good goddamn? 3 years is an eternity in this league.

The only justification of any sort for this deal is that the organization is changing its underlying philosophy and is going all-in on offense so they know that they won't even want to bother tying up space for 2020 on a franchise for Marcus when they could use it on Hill. But even that is just pissing all over the window they have the next 2 years.

This trade demonstrates a complete lack of any sort of killer instinct by this front office. They preferred keep things level; move a piece here and there and make sure they get something by 2021. I mean sure, the goddamn meteor and/or Trump is going to have killed us all by then, but that's important stuff guys. That or they're writing off 2018 as a transitional year anyway and think the risk/reward for pushing all-in on 2019 and 2020 is too great.

In other words - the kind of organizational cowardice that has led to decades of us being just good enough to lose when it matters.

This hurts the team badly for the most wide open window they've had since Len Dawson. No matter how you try to rationalize that, it's a terrible decision. They needed to focus their energies on winning a title in the 3 years they'll have Mahomes for peanuts. This clearly does not do that.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:18 PM   #407
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Why the hell do people keep talking about whether or not he intends to re-sign? Who gives a good goddamn? We have him for 2 years plus a reasonable first year franchise figure. That takes him through his prime years and at that point maybe you are ready to walk away anyway.

The point of the league isn't to keep guys here for as long as you can, it's to maximize their value and contributions to the team when you have windows to win championships. Keeping Hali and Charles during the Pioli years ended up meaning jack shit even if they took deals at/below market. Why? Because we weren't ready to win.

Meanwhile over the next 3 years we'll have Kelce in his prime and 3 young players in Hill, Fuller and Jones who will all be on rookie deals for 2 of them with the ability to frontload them on extensions for the third. We'll also have an immensely talented young QB on a rookie contract to boot.

The window to win a championship was WIDE THE **** OPEN for the next 3 seasons and Marcus Peters was effectively under team control for those years. If you lose him in 2021 who gives a good goddamn? 3 years is an eternity in this league.

The only justification of any sort for this deal is that the organization is changing its underlying philosophy and is going all-in on offense so they know that they won't even want to bother tying up space for 2020 on a franchise for Marcus when they could use it on Hill. But even that is just pissing all over the window they have the next 2 years.

This trade demonstrates a complete lack of any sort of killer instinct by this front office. They preferred keep things level; move a piece here and there and make sure they get something by 2021. I mean sure, the goddamn meteor and/or Trump is going to have killed us all by then, but that's important stuff guys. That or they're writing off 2018 as a transitional year anyway and think the risk/reward for pushing all-in on 2019 and 2020 is too great.

In other words - the kind of organizational cowardice that has led to decades of us being just good enough to lose when it matters.

This hurts the team badly for the most wide open window they've had since Len Dawson. No matter how you try to rationalize that, it's a terrible decision. They needed to focus their energies on winning a title in the 3 years they'll have Mahomes for peanuts. This clearly does not do that.
Easy there turbo. Plenty of cap room to sign another corner and now they can add a starter and some depth. This team will still go far.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:18 PM   #408
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Why the hell do people keep talking about whether or not he intends to re-sign? Who gives a good goddamn? We have him for 2 years plus a reasonable first year franchise figure. That takes him through his prime years and at that point maybe you are ready to walk away anyway.

The point of the league isn't to keep guys here for as long as you can, it's to maximize their value and contributions to the team when you have windows to win championships. Keeping Hali and Charles during the Pioli years ended up meaning jack shit even if they took deals at/below market. Why? Because we weren't ready to win.

Meanwhile over the next 3 years we'll have Kelce in his prime and 3 young players in Hill, Fuller and Jones who will all be on rookie deals for 2 of them with the ability to frontload them on extensions for the third. We'll also have an immensely talented young QB on a rookie contract to boot.

The window to win a championship was WIDE THE **** OPEN for the next 3 seasons and Marcus Peters was effectively under team control for those years. If you lose him in 2021 who gives a good goddamn? 3 years is an eternity in this league.

The only justification of any sort for this deal is that the organization is changing its underlying philosophy and is going all-in on offense so they know that they won't even want to bother tying up space for 2020 on a franchise for Marcus when they could use it on Hill. But even that is just pissing all over the window they have the next 2 years.

This trade demonstrates a complete lack of any sort of killer instinct by this front office. They preferred keep things level; move a piece here and there and make sure they get something by 2021. I mean sure, the goddamn meteor and/or Trump is going to have killed us all by then, but that's important stuff guys. That or they're writing off 2018 as a transitional year anyway and think the risk/reward for pushing all-in on 2019 and 2020 is too great.

In other words - the kind of organizational cowardice that has led to decades of us being just good enough to lose when it matters.

This hurts the team badly for the most wide open window they've had since Len Dawson. No matter how you try to rationalize that, it's a terrible decision. They needed to focus their energies on winning a title in the 3 years they'll have Mahomes for peanuts. This clearly does not do that.
That sums it up exactly right.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:18 PM   #409
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This thread didn't disappoint. I'm going to wait and see what the deal looks like, rather than have a meltdown before any details of the trade see the light of day.
Unless the deal includes Aaron Donald and Wade Phillips in return to replace Senile Sutton, then it is not anything close to equal value for a 25 year old Pro Bowl shutdown CB.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:19 PM   #411
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Why the hell do people keep talking about whether or not he intends to re-sign? Who gives a good goddamn? We have him for 2 years plus a reasonable first year franchise figure. That takes him through his prime years and at that point maybe you are ready to walk away anyway.

The point of the league isn't to keep guys here for as long as you can, it's to maximize their value and contributions to the team when you have windows to win championships. Keeping Hali and Charles during the Pioli years ended up meaning jack shit even if they took deals at/below market. Why? Because we weren't ready to win.

Meanwhile over the next 3 years we'll have Kelce in his prime and 3 young players in Hill, Fuller and Jones who will all be on rookie deals for 2 of them with the ability to frontload them on extensions for the third. We'll also have an immensely talented young QB on a rookie contract to boot.

The window to win a championship was WIDE THE **** OPEN for the next 3 seasons and Marcus Peters was effectively under team control for those years. If you lose him in 2021 who gives a good goddamn? 3 years is an eternity in this league.

The only justification of any sort for this deal is that the organization is changing its underlying philosophy and is going all-in on offense so they know that they won't even want to bother tying up space for 2020 on a franchise for Marcus when they could use it on Hill. But even that is just pissing all over the window they have the next 2 years.

This trade demonstrates a complete lack of any sort of killer instinct by this front office. They preferred keep things level; move a piece here and there and make sure they get something by 2021. I mean sure, the goddamn meteor and/or Trump is going to have killed us all by then, but that's important stuff guys. That or they're writing off 2018 as a transitional year anyway and think the risk/reward for pushing all-in on 2019 and 2020 is too great.

In other words - the kind of organizational cowardice that has led to decades of us being just good enough to lose when it matters.

This hurts the team badly for the most wide open window they've had since Len Dawson. No matter how you try to rationalize that, it's a terrible decision. They needed to focus their energies on winning a title in the 3 years they'll have Mahomes for peanuts. This clearly does not do that.
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I don't care what the reasons.
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The Chiefs are a better team without Marcus Peters on it.
I've played on teams where one player was such a nut case, such a distraction, that it made the team worse. Good riddance.
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Easy there turbo. Plenty of cap room to sign another corner and now they can add a starter and some depth. This team will still go far.
Yeah 25 year old Pro Bowl shutdown CB's are easy to find.
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Unless the deal includes Aaron Donald and Wade Phillips in return to replace Senile Sutton, then it is not anything close to equal value for a 25 year old Pro Bowl shutdown CB.
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I love how they're like "we're keeping Bob Sutton because he didn't have the personnel talent to run the scheme he likes."

Then they trade their best defender.


They are just getting Mahomes comfortable by incorporating the Texas Tech defense.
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