***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It wasn’t political.

Universal, government provided healthcare is inherently political.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Kman34

How long before somebody posts that stupid video of the guy saying they don’t work??

I don't see how any rational person could watch this and conclude masks don't work - especially to protect others, which is like 70% of the reason to wear a mask.

Although there seems to be a lot of evidence that wearing a mask keeps down the level of initial dose if you do catch it - which in turn makes the infection less severe on average.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

and we all will get a rona. Running away from this is like running away from the common cold....almost impossible. We will all eventually get a rona or a vaccine or both. Each time it mutates we hope it gets a little less virulent each time. We all just need to live with this and use precautions when we can.

We are living with it.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Over 250K at Sturgis packed shoulder to shoulder and I haven't seen a mask yet in any of the videos. That place is going to be a rona factory.

With a nation wide delivery system.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Over 250K at Sturgis packed shoulder to shoulder and I haven't seen a mask yet in any of the videos. That place is going to be a rona factory.

Less bikers on the road is a win for humanity.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Less bikers on the road is a win for humanity.

Of all the bikers, the Harley guys are usually the best IMO. It's the crotch rocket douchebags who can die daily and I'd give no ****s.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

We are living with it.

Proud of you....baby steps

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Of all the bikers, the Harley guys are usually the best IMO. It's the crotch rocket douchebags who can die daily and I'd give no ****s.

Yep.. They are the ones doing 100mph down residential streets. **** those douches.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Proud of you....baby steps

We've been living with it since March. If you have an actual point to make, make it.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

We've been living with it since March. If you have an actual point to make, make it.

Just saying good job. You dont seem as frightened today as you have been lately. Keep it up!

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Of all the bikers, the Harley guys are usually the best IMO. It's the crotch rocket douchebags who can die daily and I'd give no ****s.

The best bikers are the old guys on the Hondas. I have many Harley riding friends and they are indeed good people, but **** their loud as **** “look at me I need attention” bikes.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Of all the bikers, the Harley guys are usually the best IMO. It's the crotch rocket douchebags who can die daily and I'd give no ****s.

Crotch rocket douchebags grow up to become Harley riders once they gain 40 pounds and get a little gray in their hair.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Just saying good job. You dont seem as frightened today as you have been lately. Keep it up!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Want irony? KS said today that the counties that adopted the mask mandate have see a dramatic drop in cases and the counties that did not have not see any drop. The data might suggest otherwise as there was a rise in cases in JoCo though we adopted the mask mandate. In fact cases were going up so mucin the state that last week the Governor threatened to lock us down again. Now everywhere I go I see almost everyone wearing a mask. But everyone I know that lives around me swears no one wears a mask wherever they go.

And here we go. Mad the national news even. I told you I thought Norman's comments seemed off base. I cut out the few political sentences as they offer nothing but rhetoric.

Kansas health secretary used misleading charts to push mask mandate
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...jP59l7hDdfSHVw

The secretary for the Kansas Department of Health and Education is facing criticism for using a misleading chart while advocating for a statewide mask mandate.

Secretary Lee Norman gave a speech earlier this week detailing the difference in coronavirus cases between Kansas counties with a mask mandate and counties without one. According to a report from the Sentinel, Norman used an axis with a range of 15 to 25 to describe the number of new cases in masked counties and used a range of 4 to 14 to describe the number of new cases in counties without a mask mandate, making it appear as though counties without a mask mandate had more cases.

When the two sets of data are placed on a chart with the same axis, counties without a mask mandate have fewer new cases per day than counties with a mask mandate. Norman told reporters that counties with a mask mandate were "winning the battle" against the coronavirus.

"All of the improvement in the case development comes from those counties wearing masks," he said.

Michael Austin, the director of the Center for Entrepreneurial Government, accused Norman of knowingly misleading the public. The center is part of the Kansas Policy Institute, which owns the Sentinel.

"At a time when the public needs government to provide sound conclusions with accurate information, it’s unfortunate the Kansas Health Secretary knowingly deceived the public into justifying his narrative," Austin said.

The Washington Examiner has reached out to the Kansas Department of Health and Education for comment.


Fifteen counties in Kansas followed Kelly's request for a mask mandate, and the remaining 90 counties in the state did not.

[Donger]

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